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what does "pans/demi" actually mean? because "pansexual" and "demisexual" seem to be completely different concepts that wouldn't really go together

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

my job just fired someone for being a pans/demi woman, so maybe my eyes just aren't open enough

Spectrum, Monday, 19 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

unless that's a typo and she meant "pants/demi", aka women who wear capris

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

pretty sure I own that White Pans / Demi Female split 7"

transmisogyny express (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link

ha maybe being sexually attracted to everything is the same as being sexually attracted to nothing? think about it.

ryan, Monday, 19 August 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link

because "pansexual" and "demisexual" seem to be completely different concepts that wouldn't really go together

they are both outwith our normal privileged concepts of sexuality and thus together at the bottom of the oppression pyramid.

click here to start exploding (ledge), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link

what a wonderful tumblr

sleepingbag, Monday, 19 August 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link

it's quite the rollercoaster ride isn't it

transmisogyny express (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 August 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link

this has to be a troll tumblr. if not then this woman needs help

Spectrum, Monday, 19 August 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link

Kinda doing intersectionality wrong

i too went to college (silby), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link

aw come on, she's a sophomore in college. xp

I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link

weren't we all doing intersectional feminism wrong in college

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link

It's more of a cross-product here.

i too went to college (silby), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

I wasn't aware of "intersectional feminism" as a term when I was in college so I was almost assuredly doing it wrong

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

nationalsocialistpartyusa reblogged this from truecatholic

R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link

Have Morals, Bomb a CAFO, Commit to the Revolution.

Kissin' Cloacas (Viceroy), Monday, 19 August 2013 23:21 (ten years ago) link

I like how she's all "have morals, go socialist" in her header but capes up for democrats whenever anyone criticizes them from the left.

s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link

btw DL (if you're still reading) there's a term for what you were doing itt

s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:00 (ten years ago) link

tbrr the notion of tone policing sort of makes me mad

like i recognize and honor the validity of all kinds of emotional responses to heavy information, but when telling someone 'rage is not the best educator of your allies' becomes a category of oppressive behavior i have an impulse to throw up my hands

obviously the only people with an obligation to educate are those who know and can reach the people in need of learning, and when it comes to dumb white people saying dumb white people things, sometimes white people who've learned about why its dumb are the right people to do the teaching, and to expect other people to do that teaching through or with their other justified emotions is a problem

but like damn sections of the internet are on the mad setting permanently, even friends of mine

i dunno

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:10 (ten years ago) link

you're almost there

Mordy , Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link

yeah i feel you, there is a lot to be said for finding your center and learning to react in a healthy way, i'm not great at this but i recognize i can get better at it

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link

that said, i think 'tone policing' is useful to describe how assertiveness and advocacy are interpreted by privilege as belligerence and anger

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link

tone policing is the worst, it always seems like a tactic to divert focus away from the actual argument, as if a point made rudely is automatically invalid. and often the people being rude have good reason to be angry!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link

not that i'm totally familiar with the phenomenon but it seems like a symptom of so much of this discourse being people reading and writing on the internet.

R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link

where 'tone' is as much a matter of reader inference as writer intent

R'LIAH (goole), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link

one day in the future we will all communicate via videoconferencing

乒乓, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:36 (ten years ago) link

there's always a point in any internet debate or fight where you just want to put all the participants into a room irl (either because it'll help them sort it out without getting internet-angry or because they'll be out of my sight)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link

Uzjfkshe I just wrote a long post on my phone and zing ate it

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link

For me it breaks down two ways:

1) That kind of tone policing ONLY is ever used against people in non-privileged groups when it wouldn't be used against a person of the privileged group.

2) Who the fuck are you as a white person or straight person (or man, able person, etc.) to tell me as a black person or queer person (or woman, disabled person, etc.) that I can't be angry or sad about the things I or other people in those groups experience?

s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link

b-but I'm demisexual

Coming Out Of Elton John's Mouth (crüt), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link

every time I read that word, I think http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/stylewatch/gallery/red_lips/demi_moore.jpg

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link

oh man, that tumblr

mh, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link

^ review of her work on striptease?

dmacation problem (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:13 (ten years ago) link

I have to step away from that tumblr

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:15 (ten years ago) link

and actually that was the post that made me realize I needed to step away, lol

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link

it's ok, the next 200 posts are about Dr. Who

mh, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:19 (ten years ago) link

ok this is an obvious troll because there's a REALLY NSFW picture

mh, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:19 (ten years ago) link

http://aseasonedplateofmurder.tumblr.com/post/57764676625/idk-how-frank-is-supposed-to-help-me-pay-rent-if

― mh, Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:13 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is the most important piece of writing i have ever read on the internet

乒乓, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link

lmbo

s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:27 (ten years ago) link

focusing on the most extreme, earnest, insane examples of the subject is ALSO a diversionary tactic imo

lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:29 (ten years ago) link

conservativeginger likes this

there's no way in crap this isn't a parody blog. seems to have a large following from the kind-of conservatives who make macros about Obama congratulating people for being gay instead of saving Benghazi

Spectrum, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:35 (ten years ago) link

sorry abt Benghazi I was getting gay married

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 22:41 (ten years ago) link

smoking gun's in the description, don't even have to read a post:

I am a socialist who believes that more government regulation is the best for all people.

find me a socialist who puts it like that

also this

I like how she's all "have morals, go socialist" in her header but capes up for democrats whenever anyone criticizes them from the left.

― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:50 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

suggests that it's someone from the libertarianish right who is anti-nsa but thinks "leftist" means "Democrat" (means "socialist"), like the people who thought occupy was obama astroturf

or idk maybe it's a college girl, people are weird

thirteen-minute gap between those posts clearly belying my "don't even have to read a post"

Who the fuck are you as a white person or straight person (or man, able person, etc.) to tell me as a black person or queer person (or woman, disabled person, etc.) that I can't be angry or sad about the things I or other people in those groups experience?

i feel you here for sure, and that's what i was getting at when i was like

like i recognize and honor the validity of all kinds of emotional responses to heavy information

i don't think anybody gets to tell people who've been subject to the violences of patriarchy or white supremacy or ableism how to feel about their experience.

separate from that fact, apart from the notion that no one gets to tell (i was gonna say you, then i was gonna say us, then i was gonna say you--fuck me, this shit is complicated for me) how to feel or whether those feelings are justified or useful or reasonable--shouldn't we be willing to ask ourselves if anger is our best response? anger can be cleansing, in lots of times and places its the only thing there is to feel, but in other times and places there might be ways *better for our damn selves* to approach the things that incite rage. catharsis notwithstanding.

but like i said, i don't fuckin know.

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:26 (ten years ago) link

like call me a corny motherfucker but i know that as much as anger can empower the angered love can transform the one loving and the one loved, and i just wonder what it would look like if we tried to build our engagements with one another on that instead

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:28 (ten years ago) link

i'm not tryin to whitesplain nothin to nobody or anything i'm just trying to feel my way through this shit cause its complicated to me

there are more than 3.5 HOOS per steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 20 August 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link


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