now i feel bad that we've got the Keef thread and the Kreayshawn thread going on at the same time
― some dude, Monday, 12 August 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
if you guys like arguing w/ a wholly inaccurate caricature of what ive said then have fun
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 12 August 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
straw mansthats that shit i dont like
― lag∞n, Monday, 12 August 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link
that song is so catchy
― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 12 August 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link
we watched the video for "don't like" in my class last night because a st gave her first speech about him. it (the speech) was pretty good! another st said that he met keef at a car wash and he (ck) was friendly and shook his hand.
― special beet service (La Lechera), Friday, 20 September 2013 13:56 (ten years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/09/gangs-of-social-media/
― I’m a sophisticated guy, I like sophisticated music (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 September 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
piece is interesting although a lil weird in parts ... the way it suggests social media bears responsibility seems a lil odd
i found this piece very interesting, argues that violence overall has gone down, but violence inequality has increased drastically:http://danielhertz.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/weve-talked-about-homicide-in-chicago-at-least-one-million-times-but-i-dont-think-this-has-come-up/
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 20 September 2013 20:38 (ten years ago) link
bears *most of* the responsibility, i should say
yeah, that hertz piece was v illuminating
― The Reverend, Friday, 20 September 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWDM2uZr60#t=163
Not sure how much creativity this guy has in the tank, visually or lyrically.
― Me & Mahomies (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 26 September 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
his verse on the "F.D.B." remix is kind of hilariously poorly recorded, and there's a Young Dro interview where he confirms Keef is on the official remix so it's not like a sloppily tacked-on unofficial mixtape edit or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d30pRWxLxrA
― Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Thursday, 26 September 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah seriously what in the absolute fuck is the deal with that
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
why would they include that? was it recorded in a soup can?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 26 September 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link
when that hemiola comes and...doesn't stop...
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, November 25, 2013 6:14 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 04:47 (ten years ago) link
that verse is still awesome
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 05:09 (ten years ago) link
as does this album.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 05:11 (ten years ago) link
haha I thought of this thread when Jordan said that but thought it would be petty to bring it up
― when a real whiney hold you down, you sposed to drown (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 07:09 (ten years ago) link
Hemiola is a common musical term it's v telling that u all read so much more into it than was there
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 08:22 (ten years ago) link
can we have a hip-hop hemiola thread?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 08:42 (ten years ago) link
how common would you say it is, like how often would you say musicians use it
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 11:09 (ten years ago) link
i mean...there's a lot of hemiola in rap these days, people usually just call it "the migos flow" or back in the day might've said "bone thugs flow"... i just disagree that keef is using it at all in that big lean song. the meter of his verse and what beats his syllables are hitting on (or near) seems clear as day to me and it's not a hemiola thing at all imo.
― deez the season (some dude), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link
hahaha oh god i didn't mean to actually start this up again i'm so sorry
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 13:46 (ten years ago) link
this fredo santana song is all over the fucking place, er, I mean, he's truly a master of hemiola in the Elvin Jones tradition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcZp4YeCsB8
― tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 13:53 (ten years ago) link
I hear hemiola constantly but I sing a lot of Byrd, Schütz, Palestrina, Gesualdo, Tallis, etc. Anyone doing Renaissance or baroque music is going to be intimately familiar with it; jazz musicians will also be familiar with the concept but I have no idea if they use the same terminology (having just learned last week that some jazz musicians call a score a "chart", I now assume there's a different term for everything in that world).
I am willing to bet money that no one in the studio told Keef that his hemiola was dope after any take.
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link
Partially because I doubt the term would be common usage but mostly because nothing I've heard Keef do on record has anything to do with the concept of hemiola
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 13:59 (ten years ago) link
omg that fredo santana song, best song about playing with your balls ever
― Southern Lorde (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 14:46 (ten years ago) link
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
u lie
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:57 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and i doubt people said that to jazz musicians using it either whats your point?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my pt was that he's using an atypical rhythmic trick there, which is undeniably true
― tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:53 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the entire thing had nothing to do w/ the micro level of being slightly off beat which is a longtime affect of his flow and was about a particular answer but yr Intentionally Misinterpret An Argument tactic is dumb
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:20 (ten years ago) link
the notion that an artist needs to be consciously aware that the rhythmic technique he's using has a precedent and a name in music theory is beside the point / has nothing to do w/ whether or not he's consciously using it
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
can't you guys just admit that you kept giving david shit about this because "hemiola" is an absurdly ridiculous phrase
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
just like, the sound of it
and i doubt people said that to jazz musicians using it either whats your point?― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:18 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkmy pt was that he's using an atypical rhythmic trick there, which is undeniably true― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:18 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:18 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:18 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the undeniable chops and evident years and years of careful practice and woodshedding inherant in Chief Keef and Fredo Santana definitely lead me to believe that they are using "tricks" from the jazz arsenal instead of just being shitty rappers who can't stay on a beat
― tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link
what i'm getting out of this is that none of you know what hemiola means
xp
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
well now my point is "you don't read what other people write" considering that here you are parroting back at me something that I JUST WROTE
xp: hold on there, Jordan
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
chief keef was recording for five years and wasn't using tricks from 'the jazz arsenal' but rather tricks from popular music that are unusual for a rapper to use in a flow, the only reason we associate hemiola w/ jazz is 70+ years of theoretical writing (which, incidentally, was written after the fact, not something that jazz musicians were consciously like "now i shall employ hemiola") which came in its wake.
and the off-beat affect of keef's flow isn't what we're talking abt here at all but keep changing the subject
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
you guys can't be serious
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link
there is nothing funnier than a hopeless double-down but I am afraid one day we're going to accidentally Ottify deej
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link
He moola
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
the jazz musicians you're talking about had chops, is the thing
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
you don't gotta have theory but you do gotta have chops
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
just for the record i'm pretty sure it's used specifically to refer to repeated dotted quarter note / 3 against 2 rhythms, and Rev's track that i'm talking about in the revive is actually doing that. but please keep arguing about whether keef is intentionally (slightly) off beat or not.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
guys
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:23 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i am very much reading what you wrote. jazz musicians today do use the word 'hemiola' but again, 70+ years of theoretical writing. jazz musicians today are also going to jazz programs at universities.
in the evolution of jazz historically, the hemiola was a device that was used, even if the artist didnt know it had a particular name. certainly a few of the artists w/ classical training & after the arrival of bebop would have been aware of what the real name of it was.
w/ the keef example with big lean, he was kicking a flow i wasn't familiar with that seemed to arrive at a different time on the beat than usual. i wasnt' sure if there was a musicological term to describe what he was doing (although I certainly would expect that he wouldn't know if there was)
people who wanted to believe that i have some completely overanalyzed, overintellectualized relationship w/ this music and that i don't 'get' it's purpose want to believe that I'm making some argument about him being a technical wizard genius which isn't what i'm doing ... all i said was that he took a novel rhythmic approach
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:35 (ten years ago) link
ppl are giving you shit but no one is seriously thinking you're saying that. it's just, we're suggesting instead of him having a "novel rhythmic approach" maybe he's just sloppy and not very good as a rapper?
― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link
right and i'm talking about a particular example where he is clearly making a conscious effort to do something different so your opinion of his usual flow is kind of irrelevant
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:47 (ten years ago) link
he is not "clearly making a conscious effort to do something different" - that's clear to you. To others, who know at least as much about music as you do, it just sounds like he's rapping badly.
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
however if you wanna go Death of the Author and say the hemiola's there for the careful reader well n'est pas hors-texte & whatnot
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
haha, oh right, that's the track we're talking about it. not do to this again but i still maintain that the engineer misaligned the vocal track.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 December 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link