suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

this looked like a good airport read for the ladies on this thread (if you speak french):

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lol sorry, sorta confused this with the body positivity thread.

i.e. i have no idea if there are specific skin-care tips in there. though i wouldn't be surprised. there was a little fiction, some fashion stuff, some culture stuff.. like, basically a "woman's magazine" except not quite so in hock to the 5 conglomerates that own every product marketed to women.

Women's mag wisdom, at least from the last time I read women's magazines, was that anything over SPF 30 was a waste. That's been awhile, though.

Me too, but what I read was that anything over SPF 15 was a waste. Also quite awhile ago, so I guess I'm a grandma too.

I don't know that it's a "waste" but the protection increases only very incrementally above 30 or so--you only gain a few percentage points' more protection even when you make a big jump in SPF number. Considering that the UV blocking chemicals can irritate some skin etc etc, it just makes sense to find a balance somewhere in between and make sure to reapply.

Also considering that in our lifetimes, sun protection has gone from "none" to "absolutely crucial, don't ever go outside" levels of alarm, I think we tend to put a lot of faith in sunscreens, esp ones that seem extreme (do they still make Bullfrog?), to give a level of protection that they can't deliver. Like, a strong sunscreen is not a magic bullet.

I used to use Bullfrog on my face when I lifeguarded. But being a grandma, I have no idea whether it is still around.

I was going to say, I'm pretty sure it was marketed as the lifeguard's sunscreen! That's def how I thought of it, it had a certain cachet.

i'm getting this from my wife, who talks to doctors about this stuff for a living. who knows, in 20 years things could change (and the definition of SPF numbers could change...), but that's what they're saying now.

Bullfrog on the face, Banana Boat SPF 15 everywhere else (this was the 80s so SPF 15 was some cutting edge shit). I have a crazy strong olfactory memory of Banana Boat to this day. I can smell it whenever I listen to Led Zeppelin III, which was on heavy rotation at the time, and if I actually smell Banana Boat I can totally smell chlorine and hear pool sounds.

i see way more young people with umbrellas to protect themselves from the sun than i did even a few years ago. it's def a lot less greasy/comedogenic (do people still use this word?) than sunscreen.

I use that word.

I'd totally carry a parasol. But I never can find one!

Does anyone else have extreme fatigue after being in the sun? Even if I am out in direct sun (especially in summer) for like an hour, I feel like TOTAL SHIT the rest of the day. Like after a hangover.

I find a day in the sun tiring but also a day in the wind, or a day in the cold, or etc. Maybe it's just the extremes of stimulation as compared to being indoors in relatively static environments?

The sun DRAINS!!!

On facials: It depends on the products used and the combination and order they are used. I have had a Skinceuticals facial and it didn't do much for me but my friend had awesome results.

The last facials I had were in 2011. I had three done at Esty in Austin and it was all natural, organic products, various brands, and I didn't see a big difference. It has to be Pevonia for me. Geez the very last facial I had done at Esty, not with my usual girl, was a huge catastrophe! The woman (con-artist) kept telling me what she was doing and I was like okay, okay, cool...not asking, TELLING me what she was doing as she began to do it. The price was $300 when we were done! GRRRRRRRRRR! The place is really reasonable so to hike it to $300 was BS! A week later I looked better but nothing super great.

I feel after one session you should see a difference in three days that last two weeks. After the second session, even better....never stinging, broken capillaries, redness that lasts more than a day. Best to ask what products are used before you make an appointment and look into them if not familiar. I prefer esties that don't use tools for extractions but have a gentle touch, use fingers and steam. I love it if they have a machine that cleans your pores, like a fcae vacuum cleaner. I like a mild peel and someone who can tell me what's going on with my skin and how to be pro-active.

I took a trip to Vegas and returned with really wrecked skin, windburn, dry and super oily at the same time, zits...saw my girl and she fixed it right up and it was balanced and soothed within a few days.

Does anyone else have extreme fatigue after being in the sun? Even if I am out in direct sun (especially in summer) for like an hour, I feel like TOTAL SHIT the rest of the day. Like after a hangover.

― homosexual II, Friday, August 9, 2013 5:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not as bad as a hangover, but being out in the sun definitely wears me out more than other outdoor activity.

Good tips, tera. And HomoII, I have the exact same experience with direct sun. I can manage better if I get to stay in the shade, but even with tons of sunscreen and no burning, I am shot with fatigue after hours in the sun.

I mean if ya think about it, you're receiving radiation! What is one of the most common side effects of radiation treatment for cancer? FATIGUE.

I bought a parasol online and it is LOVELY. The shade it provides is a little less than I expected, but I like it anyway.
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I just realized that this reaction to sunlight is why I shy away from outdoor activities. Like, I could never go to the beach or the pool on an afternoon and do anything else besides nap afterward. And I will FEEL sunburnt. And my skin will even be pink, but then its fine the next day. I just want to be one of those people who likes to sit in the sun.

I find being in direct sunlight enervating, not sure if draining is the word so much as just extremely deeply irritating. I don't enjoy it.

I am with all you anti sun people

I despise ” laying out”

Homo I was just looking at parasols last night - I will post links when I am not on my ph

i get irritated and sweaty lying out in the sun. even reading in the sun eventually wears on me.

i fucking love lying out in the sun. it's kind of a rush, like how bad can i fuck myself up without fucking myself up too much. tmi?

Lying out is sort of an extreme, it's not even an activity, it's just exposing as much of yrself to the sun's rays as possible while doing nothing. Activities that happen to take place outside on a nice day are way better! Like swimming, which also has the benefit of keep the sweat and dustiness down.

Or boating of some kind. Or floating down a river in an innertube.

I'm not saying that if you hate the sun, you'll like any of those things, just that laying out is the faaaar end of liking the sun.

well, it's not just laying out. I can't enjoy anything outdoors in the bright sun. I'd like to go on hikes or go bike riding and stuff and I just cannot tolerate it. That's why I am stoked for an overcast, grey day... because I can go out and do stuff!

That's sad! You should live in Forks. Or Bend.

Definitely do not, I repeat, DO NOT move to Baja.

*slaps head, books tix for Japan*

Sun-induced immune suppression is an actual thing btw: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16185286

HOMOSEXUAL II: parasols 4U:

http://www.sarasparasols.com/index.html

http://www.barringtonbrolly.com/pages/Parasols.html

http://www.gothiclace.com/gothiclacestore/parasols_fans1.htm

http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/ladies_victorian_parasols.php

my wife's other piece of sun advice: expose yrself ( ooo er ) to full sunlight for 5-10 minutes a day for a healthy blast of vitamin D that works better than vitamin pills. more than that is useless and, without protection, potentially harmful.

Does sunscreen affect vitamin D production?

y

darker skin affects vitamin D, too. melanin.

my regimen:

aveeno 15 spf facial moisturizer on my face in the and aveeno 15 spf body lotion in the am (i should probably upgrade the spf when i run out)
clarisonic w/ gentle brush with trader joe's facial cleanser (makeupalley recommends it as a solid knock-off of dr perricone's cleanser) -> retin a micro -> cerave (if my skin has been particularly dry} in the pm. then some aquaphor on my lips for good measure.

That's a good rec, my Badescu cleansers are running out and too rich for my pocketbook at the moment, will add to TJ's shopping list.

I think they have a couple, this is the specific one:

http://www.traderjoes.com/fearless-flyer/article.asp?article_id=257

I am also in high altitude, which makes the sun way harsher. In other areas of the country I don't seem nearly as affected. And if I go on a hike in the mountains, I am toast for the rest of the day.

Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that but that is OTM. When I lived in Boulder I felt like I would just wilt into a limp pile if I stayed in direct sunlight for more than a few minutes. At sea level, it's more like I'm just tired as hell for the rest of the day but I remember a couple of times living in CO that the impact was immediate and intense.

Well, I've been to the doc, she saw my face, and I have a new regimen. Yay?

what is the regimen?

and yay!

Sure, why not yay? What did she recommend?

xp what VG said!

it's so complicated that i don't even understand it yet. i have to go to the pharmacy, but basically i have acne :-/

she also said i should wash my hair more because the greasy bangs were getting on my forehead.

Well at least it's not something exotic that nobody knows how to treat. It would be worse if she were like, "HUH! Weird. I have never seen anything like that before. Maybe try Cetaphil?"

Try just washing your bangs. That's what I do, although it's more to keep my greasy forehead from making my bangs greasy than vice versa. It does necessitate wetting your hair, though.