Michael Jackson: Classic or Dud?

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I liked him better when he was a cartoon.

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Saturday, 8 November 2003 15:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Jackson Five anno 1970 and his 1979-87 solo output is classic, classic and nothing but classic. No denying that, even though he is a weirdo and the quality of his output has dropped considerably lately.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stranger In Moscow, Scream and Money are the keepers for me off of History. I'd add They Don't Care About Us, but the "jew me/screw me/kick me/kike me" stuff is pretty rank.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Stranger In Moscow" is definitely a strong track. However, I feel like the general quality of his 90s material was a bit below par (better than most of his latest album though)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 November 2003 03:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't hate his music.
True, for the most part, nothing else sounded anything like it.
But it's boring, guys.
Just dull, watered-down stuff that was already being done better, by other people.

Even Off The Wall and Thriller are just PRETTY GOOD despite getting the collective nod from most sides as being the over-exposed weirdo's golden era.

But he's a hands-down classic for his legacy as a freakshow media juggernaut alone, ongoing as it is into it's fourth goddam decade!

Whoever saw such a public spectacle than this ageing, trans-racial, trans-gendered, trans-humanist effigy - shyly, yet boldly parading himself through the media hoisted upon his own shoulders?!?

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Sunday, 9 November 2003 09:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let me take a wild guess - you are about 22 years old or younger. Am I correct?

Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 9 November 2003 10:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Just dull, watered-down stuff that was already being done better, by other people.

IMO it was what you call "watering down" that made it better than other R&B.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 November 2003 11:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let me take a wild guess - you are about 22 years old or younger. Am I correct?

hey! ageism! and not true for everyone.. alex in nyc is a lot older than that! (yeah?)

Vic (Vic), Sunday, 9 November 2003 12:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm 29, but how is that relevant?

And Geir, I don't quite understand your question.

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Sunday, 9 November 2003 13:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anthony, when you say the jew me screw me kick me kike me line in They Don't Care About Us is pretty rank, do you mean it's just a badly written lyric, or do you mean it's offensive in some way?

If it's the former, then I don't have much of a view either way, it's not great, but in the spectrum of bad lyrics I think it's insignificant.

If it's the latter, I strongly disagree. I never saw ANYTHING remotely offensive or anti-Semetic about that line - surely it's crystal clear (though it didn't seem to be to the world media) to any person who, er, can read, that it was basically saying "yeah, do whatever the hell you want to me, kick me, call me a kike, I remain unbowed"? The whole controversy was absurd. The fact that he eventually changed the lines (to something stupid like "do me, sue me, kick me, strike me") is even more absurd. He should have stuck to his guns.

syntaxfree, Sunday, 9 November 2003 15:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't quite understand which question you are pointing towards, as I have asked no question :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 November 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let me take a wild guess - you are about 22 years old or younger. Am I correct?
hey! ageism! and not true for everyone.. alex in nyc is a lot older than that! (yeah?)


I just turned 36. Michael Jackson is, was, and invariably always will be a deplorably overrated side-show freak. Shun him.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 November 2003 16:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
rampant capitalism in action:

via NewsNow this was on the news wire:

The Essential Michael Jackson To Be Released
http://www.undercover.com.au/news/2005/jun05/20050630_michaeljackson.html

Sony-BMG will release the 2CD Michael Jackson compilation, 'The Essential Michael Jackson' on July 15.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And what better way for one to celebrate their vindication of paedophilia charges (and pay legal costs) than to crank out another compilation. Might Jackson have also overheard those placard-waving fans outside the courthouse on the day of his aquittal agitating for a career comeback?

Stay tuned...

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

record company exploits publicity to sell records shocker

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 30 June 2005 12:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Disc 1 is HOTT, but my own version is better.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

He still sucks.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

His apologists are almost creepier than he is.

(almost)

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"the jew me screw me kick me kike me line ... I never saw ANYTHING remotely offensive or anti-Semetic about that line"

Using the term "Jew" (a noun, an ethnic identifier - NOT A VERB) to connote a negative, stereotyped behavior is totally anti-semitic. gimme a fucking break.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Can I just step out a bit on that point and ask the panel (and the world) how and why anti-Jewish racism has come to be in a class of its own, that's implicitly a greater evil than any other type of racism?

Just bugs me.

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't consider it in a "class" of its own, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 June 2005 23:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Has its own term, Shakey. I suppose that's not really much of a point you could hang your coat on, but a lot of the discourse on the subject in the media seems to follow a theme that there's Racism (such as that endured by indigenous Australian's, for example, which we don't really like, find kinda embarssing and hope will one day come to an end), and then there's Anti-Semitism, which seems to absolutely require a coordinated national response between governments, the intelligence community and public.

It's on-the-nose.

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 1 July 2005 00:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

well, taking your examples, Aborigines are only discriminated against by Australians. Nobody in the rest of the world rarely encounters (much less cares about) Aborigines. Jews, on the other hand, have been stereotyped, vilified, murdered, and otherwise discriminated against in multiple cultures across several continents. For several thousand years. So I imagine the difference in terminology that rankles you (which I think is fairly recent? does the term anti-semite predate the Nazis...?), simply reflects the varying scale of the type of racism in question.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 July 2005 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

classic, of course!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(I guess my point is that anti-semitism is international and much older than most, more localized, instances of racism, hence the difference in terminology. Tho qualitatively speaking I wouldn't say that anti-semitism is worse than, say, slavery. but such kinds of comparisons aren't really helpful to anybody. "I've been persecuted more than you!" etc. nothing productive there.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 July 2005 15:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

anyway back to the topic at hand - Michael's like Elvis: classic for the media spectacle/personal drama, but I don't have any use for the actual music. So duddily classic. I don't own any Elvis or Michael Jackson and don't feel the urge to ever listen to either, really.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 July 2005 15:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
classic- The man is a legend. Michael Jackson is the most important musician in our planet. He is definitely the best. He started singing when he was 5 years old, give the guy some credit. Songs like billie jean and Beat it , don't stop till you get enough are easily the best songs in history. I don't know any other popstar who has been successful for 30 years. He is going to be back soon and shock you all!

Tolu, Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't know any other popstar who has been successful for 30 years.

Um, the Stones? McCartney? Robert Plant? Ozzy? (I know, I shouldn't take the bait...)

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but he's been singing SINCE HE WAS FIVE. fuck that Stevie Wonder punkass!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Um, the Stones? McCartney? Robert Plant? Ozzy? (I know, I shouldn't take the bait...)

But let's be honest, he's funkier than those dudes.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

actually I don't think he's funkier than any of them, except maybe Ozzy.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Okay.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

LET'S AGREE TO DISAGREE

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He is going to be back soon and shock you all!

in the genitals?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Alex in NYC's hate upthread looks hilarious in retrospect.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it didn't at the time?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hilariously OTM maybe

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson is classic, and he has made a lot of great music.

However, he isn't even one hundredth of the Godlike creature that his fanatical fans have turned him into.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

oh geirpaws

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but when do you ever meet these fans? I mean, they show up outside the courtroom and google their way to ILM threads, but ... are they even real?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

they are all old abandoned animatronic Disney robots run amok and only Jacko truly loves them

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I am a Michael Jackson fan!

Uh, a fan of Michael Jackson's music!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 May 2006 00:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Alex in NYC's hate upthread looks hilarious in retrospect.

I stand by every word of it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

they are all old abandoned animatronic Disney robots run amok and only Jacko truly loves them

I just coughed up a cup of coffee for laughing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hey, Alex! I can send you a YSI of "Morphine" -- a track as anything by Killing Joke.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

*er, whack

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
If guilty pleasures are the best kind, I've just discovered the joy that is "Off The Wall". Against my better judgment, my arse is shaking, and disco is rarely better than that, my friend.

And all because I heard "Rock With You" in a porn shop.

Bimble, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

classic (though I'd rather listen to Prince)

I was kinda surprised when I bought HIStory that he says "stop fucking with me" on Scream

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 11 January 2008 05:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7927497.stm

Page last updated at 08:42 GMT, Friday, 6 March 2009

Jackson eyes $400m comeback plan

By Ian Youngs Music reporter, BBC News

Michael Jackson announces his comeback

Michael Jackson could earn more than $400m (£283m) from a comeback deal involving new music and movies as well as concerts, his promoter has revealed.

The pop superstar has announced 10 gigs at the O2 arena in London this summer.

Randy Phillips, head of AEG Live, which is staging the gigs, said they had a wider deal that could cover a world tour and a 3D film based on Thriller.

He also said: "We're talking to him about helping him figure a new plan for the release of singles, new music."

Last tour

Jackson appeared at the London venue on Thursday to announce his comeback concerts.

He billed them as "the final curtain call" and "my final show performances in London".

Speaking afterwards, Mr Phillips said: "These will be the last shows in London. Whether he will go on from here around the world... this will be his last tour.

"All he's agreed to are the London shows at this point."

He said AEG Live had a "broader relationship" with Jackson.

"We have a film development deal that's part of this to do a film, Thriller 3D," he said.

It would be a new film that could star Jackson himself, he said.

Asked how much Jackson could earn from the ventures, Mr Phillips replied: "If we complete the full three-and-a-half year plan, he could gross over $400m in that time. London could be north of $50m (£35m)."

The star made a five-minute appearance in front of hundreds of screaming fans on Thursday to announce the 10 London dates.

I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear - this is the final curtain call
Michael Jackson

Is the King of Pop still a thriller?

His first words to fans were: "I love you so much.

"This will be it. When I say this is it, it really means this is it," he added.

"I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear."

Jackson had been expected to appear at the 02 arena at 1600 GMT, but arrived an hour and a half late for the announcement.

The first concert at the 20,000-capacity venue will be on 8 July, with tickets costing between £50 and £75. They go on general sale on 13 March.

Jackson last toured 12 years ago. In 2006, he performed at the World Music Awards in London, but disappointed fans by singing just a few lines of We Are The World.

Bee OK, Sunday, 8 March 2009 04:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson: Child Molester or Pedophile?

ilxor, Sunday, 8 March 2009 15:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

Please explain, dyl.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:01 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

here's my rambling take on Michael in the disco era, looking his underrated (imo) work leading up to Thriller plus a peek at the pre-MTV music video "scene"

https://medium.com/@markcoleman57/dancing-with-michael-jackson-remembering-music-video-before-mtv-a0c18b063581"> https://medium.com/@markcoleman57/dancing-with-michael-jackson-remembering-music-video-before-mtv-a0c18b063581

Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:17 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Uhhhhhh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e62M-5-7ajY

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 10 June 2017 01:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Classic.

Austin, Sunday, 11 June 2017 01:52 (one year ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

On his worst single.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

love it. your piece i mean.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 March 2018 12:30 (seven months ago) Permalink


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