Blur: Classic Or Dud

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hmmm... not a whole lot of love for 13 - there's a good four or five songs on there, but a whole heap of bad ones. Also, can't stand "Tender" - an eternity of tedium.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 January 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"Optigan 1" and "Coffee and T.V." are the two best songs on 13.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i dread a point when "battle" wont completely destroy me.

i wish mr coxon would get back to some of the guitar work he was up to at that point...

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"Caramel" and "Bugman" are beyond fabulous.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Bugman is fucking great. So are Coffee & TV and Swampsong. After that it gets a bit sprawling - everything goes on twice as long as it needs to and outstays its welcome. Mellow Song, Battle and Trailerpark would be fantastic if someone chopped a couple of minutes off of them.

Blur are probably the most consistent guitar band of the last decade (or fifteen years, whatever).

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah, they still suck. I prefer Pavement.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you really Graham Coxon, behind that pseudonym?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Battle, Trimm Trabb, Coffee & TV, Mellow Song, Caramel, and I think that's about it. Most of the rest of 13 can swivel.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic from 1993-95. Then, gradually less classic and close to dud lately.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 January 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago) link

How could you not like Bugman, doglatin?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Friday, 6 January 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Beetle Bum makes me cum...

Leeroy, Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Bugman? They'd done that song already, but better about a million times before. It's really annoying. Next you're going to be defending BLUREMI!

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Saturday, 7 January 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Still my favorite band, ever.
Geir, I can't believe you don't like "Sweet Song" it seems right up your alley. It's also been my favorite Blur song since I first heard it. I got the CD in the mail on its release date, and I distinctly remember standing in front of my stereo- which is on my windowsill, facing west- and listening to that song. It goes very nicely with gorgeous evening light over Elliott Bay. I also feel like it pairs with "Sunset Coming On" - like it's that song again, only even prettier.

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

13 is the one that I keep coming back to. even if it has the odd weak spot like most of their albums, it seems to hang together really well whereas I only seem to listen to a handful of tracks from the other albums nowadays.

in my high school anglophile days I would've said classic without hesitation. now? well, more on the C than the D side. at least the good tunes still slay most of the other britpop awfulness.

pompe vers le haut du volume (haitch), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link

The amount of praise for *anything* after 1995 from Blur terrifies me. Think Tank was the best of the lot for a very simple reason -- Coxon finally went away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

like old yeller?

pompe vers le haut du volume (haitch), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Love all the albums except "Think Tank". OK, "13" is far too long, but still there are a few good tracks on it. One of the best band of the 90s, without question.

1. Parklife
2. Modern Life Is Rubbish
3. The Great Escape
4. Blur
5. 13
6. Leisure
...
Think Tank

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 7 January 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Next you're going to be defending BLUREMI!

No, I won't.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Saturday, 7 January 2006 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and BLUREMI is great.

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 7 January 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Think Tank was wonderful -- few weak tracks like "Jet" but so it goes

Hey Wogan Lenin, name one time Blur did Bugman "already, but better about a million times before"

Thanks.

marc h. (marc h.), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The "too long" criticism always strikes me as something a pop-blur fan would say about an album that clearly sounds best under the influence. And not to get all high-school metaphorical, but I've always thought that the length of Tender works especially well, since it comes across as Damon trying way to hard to postpone the breakdown that follows.

For kind of obvious reasons, this album pairs nicely (shuffled or played back-to-back) with M's Ray of Light.

dlp9001, Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Wogan Lenin, name one time Blur did Bugman "already, but better about a million times before"

Movin On, No Monsters In Me, Come Together, Song 2, Coping, London Loves, Globe Alone, Chinese Bombs...

Actually, I'm listening to it again and it's a bit better than I remembered it. I always filed it under "token Blur-go-noisey" track. BLUREMI is the worst (x) offender though.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Saturday, 7 January 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Come Together and Globe Alone over Bugman? Come on now.

Classic of course. My opinion on their albums is that they're all roughly the same quality(except Leisure, which is shit apart from 2 songs). They've never made a perfect 5 star masterpiece, and the fact that they don't seem to be trying for it is a huge part of the appeal to me. It's like they approached every record like it was their White Album.

Here is as good a place as any to post this. Alex on the new album:

I haven't seen any of Blur very much this year. I did run into Damon on
the Portobello Road last month. He was doing wheelies on his BMX. Graham
I bumped into in The Groucho Club the month before, with his new gang. He
has motorbikes now. He used to like skateboards. He didn't turn up to the
studio this week, despite telling the Rabbi he would. Dave, who is an
aeroplane man, I've seen once this year, at Buckingham Palace. Times have
changed. Dave got the Rabbi involved to smooth things out with Graham and
the three of us. Lawyers had tried, but they are the worst people to
resolve arguments. The Rabbi got us all together and found the love in
the room. He was immense. He just wanted us to be friends again. It
nearly happened, but I think this record is going to be just the three of
us. It's a shame. I'd like to show Graham my tractor.


We'd had a couple of jams over the summer in a rehearsal joint called The
Premises on the Hackney Road. We used to go there, all together by bus,
before we had a record deal. There's an agreeable whiff of big-beard jazz
and 'JCB Song' about The Premises. It's oddball muso heaven. The café has
all the clients' press photos on the walls, and no one has drawn funny
beards on them. The menu has gone caffè latte-pain au chocolat since the
80s, and no longer features eggy specials. We used to like those. I think
Dave may have been briefly involved with the eggy-specials lady, but
she's long gone.


The management were keen for us to use their new, big, posh flagship
studio. They said we wouldn't have to pay for it. We wanted to be in one
of the little cells, like before, though. We rocked our socks off and
recorded everything on a cassette through one microphone. 'Cassette' is
practically a swearword these days. Never say 'cassette' to a sound
engineer. They can't handle it. I'm not sure where we're heading with
digital clarity and bit resolution. The nastiness of cheap, loud pop
music is often part of its appeal. Safe to say, the music of the
revolution will not be in 5.1 digital surround sound. In Studio 2, the
leads were noisy, the drum kit was junk, the vocals were going through a
nasty guitar amp, and the bass and guitar were turned up to 10. Producers
aren't comfortable with things on 10. They like eight.


Anyway, it was all wrong, except that when we listened to the tapes last
week, it sounded brilliant. We tried re-recording the first track with
posh mics, preamps and vintage compressors, but it sounded a bit polite
compared with the 50 quid's worth of gear in Hackney. What the hell?
We're going to be working with the Hackney Vibe. It rocks!


I guess we're back in business. The Foo Fighters are going to wet their
pants when they hear this stuff, and they've just built a huge studio.
But everyone's buying old gear now " new's seen as a bit semi-pro. I
think crap equipment could become fashionable next. Thing is, if you've
got a good tune, you can whistle it in the bath and it'll catch on.

jason., Saturday, 7 January 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, I can't believe you don't like "Sweet Song" it seems right up your alley. It's also been my favorite Blur song since I first heard it.

I still like the odd track on their albums. For instance, I really liked "Coffee And TV". None of them ones on "Think Tank" stick out in particular, on the other hand, the worst tracks aren't as awful as the worst ones on "13" and even "Blur".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 7 January 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, No Distance Left Run could make 13 for me. One of the sadest songs ever. I like that about Damon, the way he can show that sad, sad, melancholic, miserable feeling. Another good example is Out Of Time.

elgolfo (elgolfo), Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

wait a second....he doesn't say anything about the new album in that.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I do love Country Sad Ballad Man - underrated IMHO. And the Cornelius mix of Tender is much, much better than the original.

Mippy (Mippy), Sunday, 8 January 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Country Sad should have been a single instead of MOR.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"Death Of A Party" would have been a better single for sure.

zeus (zeus), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

you know what the best song Blur ever did is? It is Turn It Up off Modern Life Is Rubbish, the one they hated and tacked on for the American market it gets the vibe that they only really recaptured on On Your Own years later iThe song is just so slack its like a British Pavement without the obstufication. it thats quality i love about them the moments when the affectations are put to the side and they are just sort of a lop sided noisy pop group. In conclusion Blur - Kaiser Chiefs = great.

pscott (elwisty), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Country Sad should have been a single instead of MOR.

Should have been a single instead of the dreadful "Song 2" I'd rather say. "Look Inside America" is better anyway though (in spite of awful and untrue lyrics)

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"Song 2" was hilarious. The genius of it was that even taken straight it was better than the stuff it parodied, so MTV pushed it like it was a new Bush video.

marc h. (marc h.), Sunday, 8 January 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Revive!

Why does everybody hate Damon Albarn?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

If you have to ask etc.

(Besides, aren't there reasons enough posted on this thread?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Being puzzled about people on ILX hating Damon Albarn is soooo three years ago.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone wants a tussle over 13 I'm up for it.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The question is whether Damon's alleged cuntishness is the kind that makes his music unbearable, or the other kind...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 17 September 2006 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I am rather indifferent towards Damon Albarn these days. I absolutely loved (and still love) the music he made a little over 10 years ago though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

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Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Why does everybody hate Damon Albarn?

-- Mr. Snrub (mistersnru...), September 16th, 2006.
Two words: Mali Music

zeus (zeus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"Mali Music" is good!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"13" is a good reason to hate Damon Albarn, but I have forgiven him for that sin, considering he did so much great earlier in the 90s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

bur are excellent all things considered.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Sunday, 17 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Blur are the best British band, all things considered, of the whole 1990's. What I mean by this is that although there have been other 90's acts which I've preferred, who released better albums, they didn't straddle the entire decade with quite the same consistently high-quality body of work as Blur did. Moreover, I'm one of those who reckons they only got better as the decade wore on, which is why a 13 tussle appeals to me. I will freely argue in great depth as to why it's not only their best album but one of the best of the decade, an album whose reach is enormous yet whose grasp matches it, whose tracks are varied yet whose progression is consistent, whose ideas are demanding yet whose production is perfect...it just works for me.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Sunday, 17 September 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Someone said the new Kaiser Chiefs was as good as Blur's Parklife. I laughed. I haven't heard the KC but that's just fucking ridiculous. You can't put anything up against Parklife, really, it stands on its own. It doesn't really have "peers".

Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"Mali Music" is good!

-- Daniel_Rf (filosofiaebolacha...), September 17th, 2006.

It can be, I've never heard it, but Albarn's struggling to atone for being the flagship of a movement considered 'racist' in the past is so evident. He's still a good songwriter though, and as I liked 'Demon Days', I would rather like him to use his traditional songwriting skills.

zeus (zeus), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

nine months pass...

WHEN WILL IT END? I WILL FIST FIGHT EVERYONE IN THIS BAND AND EVERY ONE OF THEIR FANS. HAS THE NEW ALBUM FALLEN THROUGH YET? I WILL FUCKING FIGHT YOU.

andi, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I am amazed Leisure has been mentioned only three times. It hasn't aged well but I remember listening to "There's no other way" for the first time and thinking it was amazing and really exciting? I mean, who sounded like Blur whan Leisure came out?
For me it's Blur before Parklife = classic. Dud after that.

daavid, Saturday, 14 July 2007 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I forgot tickets went on sale today, I checked in two hours later and it was sold out.

Bee OK, Saturday, 2 March 2024 00:26 (one month ago) link

My wife got two pit tix. She plans to take our son, for his first concert experience…

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2024 00:53 (one month ago) link

The show more or less sold out in minutes. Pit tickets were priced at $125 plus fees but quickly shot up to $400, $550, and then $600 per ticket (plus fees) via "AXS Premium" (the equivalent of Ticketmaster's Platinum). Later some single loge seats popped up for around $550 each, plus fees.

Unreal.

DT, Saturday, 2 March 2024 06:33 (one month ago) link

Wow… sounds like she lucked out

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2024 07:35 (one month ago) link

That's awesome morrisp, they should have a blast.

Bee OK, Saturday, 2 March 2024 21:32 (one month ago) link

Watched the entire Brit awards thinking they were perfoming ;/

PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 March 2024 23:48 (one month ago) link


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