Echo & the bunnymen: Classic or Dud?

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Froze to the bone in my igloo home

you know heaven and hell collide there are no in betweens

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Flames on your skin of snow turn cold...
Cold is the wind that blows through my headstones...

This is all because Echo & The Bunnymen are...the link at the end of my willly nillly

"I'm the Yo YO Man always up and down /so take me to the end of your tether"

Forget it. Echo & The Bunnymen forever

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

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o deCIDED TO WEAR MY THORN OF CROWNS

ALLTHE WAY ROUND....

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uPSIDE DOWN!

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Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEThL6WcgF4

fate up againST YOUR WILL THROUGH THE THICK AND THIN
HE WILL WAIT UNTIL YOU GIVE YOURSELF TO HIM

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU GIVE YOURSELF TO HIM/FATE UP AGAINST YOUR WILL/THROUGH THE THICK AND THIN/HE WILL WAIT UNTIL/YOU GIVE YOURSELF TO HIM

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

shut up

slackety yax (H2-H4), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

fUCK YOOZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEThL6WcgF4

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

saw will playing records in some pub in north london before christmas (21 years since i last saw him playing with the bunnymen in gloucester). greeny oil-wheel projector thing behind him lighting him up so he looked like two-face from batman.

that tube video had my neck hairs standing up. can't help but think that the 10 minutes after the credits rolled would've been excellent.

Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Monday, 29 January 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

So, er, Bimble was a bit rat-arsed last night, maybe?

That performance off the tube is incredible, so powerful!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 29 January 2007 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Wonderful (You)Tube clip. Makes me wish I'd seen them in their prime (I was supposed to go to the Liverpool Royal Court gig in '88 but didn't for reasons I can no longer remember). Saw them at the same venue in '98 and it was...OK, I guess. Actually great in parts.

Ian McC is definitely amongst my top five Liverpool fans (it's not a list that goes down much further than #5). From the stage at the Royal Court in '98..."I don't want Everton to go down - it would be bad for the city. Of, er, Wolverhampton."

The Mac/Will interviews on the BBC's Rock Family Trees (Liverpool post-punk episode) are absolutely priceless. "Nein Danke."

A few duff records aside, some days I think they're my favourite band ever.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I had to turn that Tube video off after 27 seconds because it was TOO GOOD and I might have an accident.

I only ever saw them after their famous year off, so I think that means past their prime.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I think mostly I regret not seeing them with De Freitas drumming. He was a bit good, wasn't he? And I'm not the sort to go around eulogising drummers (or even notice them much, David Narcizo is the only other one who registers on my ignorant radar).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I will not even countenance seeing them without him.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Was 1986 their year off? Or more like mid-'85 to mid-'86 (between recording Dancing Horses and the poor s/t album)?

The Bunnymen have this strange ability to make me yearn for childhood Merseyside experiences I never actually had; I want to wander along Otterspool Prom with some befringed pals at dusk and talk drunken rubbish until the small hours on the steps of the Palm House in Sefton Park. I didn't do any of this in the '80s, I was playing tennis in New Brighton and then running home for me tea.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Bimble should drink less.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw them twice in 1980 (Crocs tour), 1981 (HUH tour) and then only once more, in Belgium with New Order in 1984. I guess 1984 counts as in their prime, but the early gigs were amazing too. I really wish I'd seen them when they did that cover versions tour in the outer hebrides or somewhere. One of the great things about EATB is that they were still a garage-band at heart, even when being all widescreen and epic.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Pashmina's encouraging words about the quality of the remasters has finally convinced me I should get Ocean Rain at least. I think my tape copies of those LPs and my (slightly chipped) picture disc vinyl of Songs To Learn And Sing deserve to enjoy their retirement.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

The Ocean Rain remaster is done very well, Jonesy. This thread has made me want to dig it out and listen to it on my new AKGs.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the year off was pre-Dancing Horses. If not, I can say I saw them in their prime, promoting Songs To Learn And Sing, and then post-prime, promoting the poor S/T album, by which time they were all a bit fat.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

PS I saw a new cheapo 2CD live album the other day, I think it might be an extended version of the Live in Liverpool thing that came out a few years ago. Post-prime, anyway.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw these guys play several times in early 80s NYC -- at the Sopranos-esque dive Peppermint Lounge for Heaven Up Here and at a small theatre (the Beacon?) for Ocean Rain -- reliably superb every time out.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post Yes it is. I've heard it - still very good.

The grey album is the only remaster I have bothered with. I love that album, but of course I'm nuts. I have the boxset so the extra tracks on the remasters are less of a lure. They should have picked a gig from each era and put out a second live CD with each reissue.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got the first three remastered albums and they all sound good. Extra tracks appended to the first one are especially good I thought. Had never heard 'Simple Stuff' before, dunno why not, but it's great, it's got a really nice stripped-down hardness to it.

Anyone else remember them doing fantastic versions of 'The Game' and 'Lips Like Sugar' on some sort of tribute the the OGWT TV programme just before the grey record came out? Bit of a letdown when I heard the actual album though.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, "Lips like Sugar" was about 7 mins long!

(I might still have it on VHS in the loft somewhere)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I just went and bought Ocean Rain (the 2003 remaster in the slipcase) from Fopp Minor for a fiver. I also bought a Sandy Denny album and The Armando Iannucci Shows, so that's my fun budget blown for the next month.

Bring On The Dancing Horses, which I think of as the best Xmas single of all time, is only available (as far as I can tell) in this reissue programme in two different versions on the grey album. Bah, I'm not buying the bloody grey album.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Try the "More songs to learn and sing" it's on there. That's new.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

All the reissues great etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the grey album?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000025ZI8.02._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

S/T record from 1987.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Try the "More songs to learn and sing" it's on there. That's new

Not part of this reissue programme, though. It was last year, wasn't it? That might be too much duplication for me ("Killing Moon" in about five places then) but if I see the CD/DVD version going cheap...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometimes you can get it for a tenner. Unfortunately it has "modern" songs on it. I honestly don't think anyone wants to learn and sing those, even the people who like them.

I think I could "do" you a Dancing Horses replica 12" if you like. The 7" was on the box set, but I sold that (fool!).

Ocean Rain does sound fantastic. Possibly the best use of strings on a rock record ever.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw an old school Songs to Learn & Sing on Amazon new & used for two quid the other day if that helps.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

my own theory re: ocean rain is, that it was what the doors were trying to do on the soft parade only the bunnymen pulled it off for the entire record. i guess that that was b/c ian et. al. weren't afraid of their love of pop -- as opposed to the doors, who SOUNDED as if they were a little disgusted with how far they were straying from either his lizard-king schtick or greasy-ass blooz.

i do like the 90s/present-day bunnymen records, though i concede that it's more "for the fans"/already-coverted and they aren't the same w/t de freitas & pattinson et. al. & they haven't come up w/ any as catchy as even "lips like sugar" (much less anything offa the first 4).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I have Crocodiles, Ocean Rain, Heven Up Here and Porcupine, of which I like Ocean Rain and HUH the best (the former by far). I remember being annoyed by Nothing Ever Lasts Forever many years ago. Is there anything else I should check out?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I would say no personally, apart from some of the live things. Dunno what all the Will Sargeant solo stuff is like though.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know exactly WHAT is on more songs to learn & sing, but if (as stated upthread) it has some songs from their later incarnation then maybe it's worth checking out just to see if you like it.

i think the newer stuff is OK if you take it for what it is -- competent, polished late 90s sorta-indie rockish stuff -- as opposed to expecting heaven up here, v. 2.0. and of this latter stuff, their LAST record siberia may be the best of the lot -- they play w/ a bit more passion than the other latter-day stuff.

personally, the biggest letdown re the latter-day stuff is that ian's voice is totally shot to SHIT.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

"personally, the biggest letdown re the latter-day stuff is that ian's voice is totally shot to SHIT"

unfortunately, its true.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I could "do" you a Dancing Horses replica 12" if you like. The 7" was on the box set, but I sold that (fool!).

That was a mistake, I feel. If only for what I might have cribbed from it.

Perhaps BOTDH should stay where it is - on my picture disc LP and mixed in with the slush and drizzle of the walk along the Breck to school.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think his voice is shot to shit at all.

Just listening to the box set on CD1 right now. Broke My Neck (long version) - WOW!!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

> Dunno what all the Will Sargeant solo stuff is like though.

completely different. grind stuff is ambient soundscapes, some quite dark. glide stuff is poppier, lots of samples, reminds me, somehow, of willy wonka's chocolate factory gone bad.

samples here (ipcress track particularly good. do not listen to whilst operating machinery or driving though):

http://www.bunnymen.com/Glide/mp3page.html

last glide lp (curvature of the earth) had instantly recognisable bunnymen style guitar submerged within it in places, was very odd given that i wasn't expecting it and it took me right back.

Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I haf no Will S solo stuff, except for a track on that Paul Morley NorthWest comp.

Anyway - now on Disc 3 of the box. And really, what's not to like about any of the later stuff? Nothing Lasts Forever, Rust - all tremendous. Must dig out the WAYGTDWYL album later.

All the B-sides/outtakes are stellar - e.g. Rollercoaster (Will back on the Fender Jag - yay!, Hurracaine etc)

Angels and Devils is possibly my favourite EATB song. Who else could get that groove, that *sway*? The guitars and drums are fantastic on that - really woody and close-sounding.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I haf no Will S solo stuff

I'd recommend it. Both under his name and as Glide.

The box set does a great job at cherrypicking the early reunion material, and all the B-sides and rarities and live tracks = rockness. It's a well-put-together compilation and one of the few box sets around that's worth relistening to.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(that "thorn of crowns" performance IS pretty intense -- but WTF is ian rambling about re "criminals in england"?)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic, of course. Heaven Up Here is one of my fave albums of the 80's, and really, what i think about when it comes to the era. Not the pedestrian "Luft Balloons" and "come on Eileen" crapola whose limp-wristed throwing style are an embarrassingly flacid representaion of the new wave-cum-postmodern ensconcement.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a cassette version of "Reverberation"

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Nein danke.

There should be a compilation of that era called "Nein Danke".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

the new Arcade Fire seems to think they are extremely CLASSIC

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

...especially "The Cutter".

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i had that (glasto 85) as a bootleg, bought during my first week at university from a guy selling them in the students Union building. they do, iirc, it's all over now baby blue, she cracked, paint it black

(oh, track listing right there...)

koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:06 (three months ago) link

the Crystal Days box has versions of those, and more, from Swedish radio. don't know if the glasto versions ever saw an official release.

koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:09 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

I can't help it, that Peel Session song "No Hands" is the gothiest thing ever. Beautiful and amen. Listen to the bass. I'll never recover. That is absolutely the most beautifully goth thing I've ever heard. Oh my god, make it stop. That is going to fuck with my head all night.
Too much goth. Too much.

― think you're a fookin' bat, eh? (Bimble), Saturday, February 7, 2009 6:25 AM (fifteen years ago)

bimble otm, but it's not too much. i just heard this song for the first time earlier this week, listening to the peel sessions collection from a few years back. when "no hands" came on i immediately tried to figure out which album it was from and how i had missed it before. but it's only on that session, i think, the january 1982 peel session, i think? it rules

z_tbd, Saturday, 17 February 2024 23:04 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSd36N5rBg8

z_tbd, Saturday, 17 February 2024 23:05 (one month ago) link

I had that Glasto / Swedish radio bootleg, too -- so good!

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:21 (one month ago) link

There's only one, pitifully short and tangential Wild Swans thread on ILM, but I thought it worth mentioning here that I'm halfway through Paul Simpson's memoir and it's pretty enjoyable so far.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 18 February 2024 01:51 (one month ago) link


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