Curve: C or D?

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That's really similar to my experience, bimble. I had the first two ep's on a mix tape (which I played to death), but wasn't as hot on "Cherry", and the songs on "Doppelganger" all sounded the same (more so than usual for Curve).
Cuckoo was a more restrained effort, having toned down the "100% volume all the time" in favour of some NON-grunge soft/loud dynamics. Great album, but their time as indie darlings had passed and it was ignored (search : both blackerthreetracker singles -- *awesome* stuff, courtesy of remixes by NIN and FSOL (when they were still good) and "On the Wheel", which begins with the best opening 90 seconds of any song in their career. The remaining 210 seconds couldn't hope to match up, but it's still a great song overall).
I heard "Come Clean" a couple of times in 1997 but it sounded like just another rock band trying to strike a hip electronica pose (although I don't feel that way about it today).
Then I was brought back to the fold via that very "Gift" promo CD, which contains the best three tracks on the album.
I believe there was another Curve CD quietly released around 1998, and at least one Dean Garcia solo record too, which I haven't heard (they were only available via expensive import from the band's website).
I am so listening to the first 20 minutes of "Gift" before the day is over.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, and you are right that the promo CD seemed to have the best tracks from Gift. Also, I wanted to say that I distinctly recall someone DJing and playing something from the Horror Head single: a b-side? I asked the DJ about it and he had said it was like the best Curve song in his opinion. It was really amazing and I never followed up on it. Must do that (writes it down with the rest of things I 'must follow up on' due to all you relentless ilxors)

bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

If it was a "Horror Head" B-side and was MBV-noise turned into scalpel/steel raining down from the heights horrorbeautyterror with moaning backing vocals, "Mission From God." If slow, beautiful, unfolding, powerful, a better cousin to "Sandpit," "Today is Not the Day."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad everyone likes Curve. They're an eternal CLASSIC for me, even though I don't put them on much anymore. They were one of the first bands I really collected as a teenager, getting OOP singles sent my mail from the UK, searching for 12"'s etc.

The first EPs were absolutely classic. Doppelganger just took that sound and spread it, rather thinly, over an album, though 'Ice That Melts the Tips', 'Already Yours', and 'Think and Act' are standout album tracks. Cuckoo is where it's at for me. The album is well-sequenced too, building up to a great finish. It's the best heavy wall of goutar album I know from that period, but there's tons of variety throughout at the same time. Come Clean worked out for me, though it's the one I listen to least. I think it sounds louder and dirtier than most of the 'rock band goes electronic' albums, and besides, they were using samplers and drum machines from day one; the technology just got a lot more sophisticated in their downtime.

SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH the 'Coming Up Roses' B-sides: 'Habit and 'Midnight and Royal'. They're some of the best material from that period. Really tense and spooky without relying on conventional big guitars or noise.
I like Gift a lot, esp. the Shields tracks plus 'My Tiled White Floor'. There was very solid material on their internet-only album in 2000, Open Day at the Hatefest, but nothing really standout. I'll probably track down the new compilation, though there are only a couple of tracks I don't have in hard form. I think they got Flat Earth back for the cover, which is good.

Oh yeah; Cuckoo had a wonderful sleeve, as did the surrounding EPs. Only the Come Clean sleeve wasn't wholly interesting.

trivia: Debbie Smith last appeared playing with Luke Sutherland in Bows, which is such an improvement over Echobelly or the totally dire Snowpony. I'm going to go revive a Bows thread now.

xpost: Ned, yes oh yes Mission From God is glorious.

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link

when i saw curve toni had terrible shoes. then i saw them on devil's night on detroit with spiritualized and jamc and her shoes were worse. that was a great night, all the way down woodward without stopping for a single red light until i hit maple.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, the curse of bad shoes. I always say when your favorite artist starts wearing bad shoes, you know it's over right then and there.

bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Gift is just OK and very much in line with the formula, so it really depends how much more Curve material you need. The Kevin Shields tracks are nothing to write home about either.
I guess I would have loved this if it was the first thing I heard bythem.

Ned, what is this cover of Overground you speak of? You mean the Siouxsie track? I def. should check that out

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What was terrible about her shoes? If I'm mistaken, when I saw Curve, she was wearing brothel-creepers....and a bad denim jacket with the collar up.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Funnily enough my views on Curve and Garbage are the opposite to Dr C - I love both at them at their most glossy and gleaming (Cuckoo and 2.0 respectively), precisely because they're so mechanically pristine.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 8 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

That horrible gauzy early 90's production which Curve used is a horrible device used in the main by bands seeking to conceal their inability to come up with dynamics, structure or melodies. Strip it away and it would reveal.....nothing.

This is deeply ludicrous, of course. The thing that initially attracted me to Curve was the juxtaposition of Toni's great melodic lines against the feedback/dance beat. Plus there are always those huge bass lines...

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus there are always those huge bass lines...

Damn right.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll 3rd that.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, the curse of bad shoes. I always say when your favorite artist starts wearing bad shoes, you know it's over right then and there.

this is true. live they seemed pretty dull, it was all a bit thick and blurry. their love for swervedriver was always offputting too.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
This just in....CURVE HAVE OFFICIALLY SPLIT!


http://www.curve.co.uk/news.htm

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

How is this any different from their mid-90's split?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe they mean it this time?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

God this is harder than when Bonk split.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Well, it certainly reads like Toni split.

So, speaking of Curve, is there any way to get all those recent (and out of print) EPs besides sending a check to Dean?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
For me, "Perish" has overtaken "Coast is Clear" as the best Curve song ever.

"Perish" is beyond awesome. It's also the saddest noise-rock track ever.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:37 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
you know a recent trip to theother side of the country meant i went on the obligatory prowl for Nasty Rox Inc's cd version of CA$H ( a personal quest whenever i visit a new place), instead i came away with cd copy of Doppelganger, an album which i never heard when released, despite the fact that i loved the first 2 ep's, i just assumed the album comprised of all the tracks from the eps - double fucking doh on my behalf! and i probably wasn't doing the noise thing in 92 ..

anyways .. i definitely side on the CLASSIC. that cold hearted drum machine pounding away while the noise shreds the paintwork and toni does her echoed goth thing is just wonderful and fits in perfectly with my current moods.

but more to the point .. did all cd copies of the album come with doubled up inner sleeves as a spin off from the album name .. or is that just me being a little too nerdy ?

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It's you, but we love you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

WILD. My copy had two cd sleeves, too, but I've always assumed it was a manufacturing error. Never thought it might have been intentional, based on the album title. Interesting.

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

ah ha !!

its not just me .. (have images of ilmers dashing off to archives to check .. )

but ta for the love anyways ned .. backatcha gorgeous.


mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

mine did too.

and I can walk out into the world, singing with my people (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link


aint ILM the best when something like this is 'exposed'. fantastic.

13 years after the albums release we all finally get the bands 'joke'.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't recall there being two sleeves in my version at all! I conclude therefore you are all freaks. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

My copy doesn't have two sleeves. I feel left out...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Now that u mention it I think mine did too! I remember getting the cover signed by the band and not feeling bad about "ruining" the artwork (i'm anal that way) because of that!

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW Mark E - the first three EPs were collected on an album called Pubic Fruit, along with the "extended extended extended" version of Fait Accompli!


(I also have not yet gotten around to getting Doppelganger, cos I've got both the above and - rather later - the Radio Sessions comp. It's quite nice knowing that at sometime in the future I've still got "new" early Curve to listen to...)

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i saw that re PF .. was that actually released uk-side ? i dont think i have ever seen that around ..

(but anything curve stamped will be on my bins-radar from hereon thats for sure ..)

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought Pubic Fruit in HMV about 11 years ago... but it was an import. I don't think it ever got a proper issue.

The similar Smile compilation by Ride was import only for a couple of years but Creation eventually released that in the UK, shame Anxious records couldn't do the same.

Was Gala by Lush released in the UK? I bought that 2nd hand but I think that's a US import as well.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah, I think Anxious did put it out a year or two after the US issue - probly just got under-ordered because everyone had sold the import already.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
The colour hurts.

The Sound of Walls (Bimble...), Sunday, 26 March 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

HORROR HEAD

Bimble, Monday, 30 July 2007 05:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Re-listening to those early EPs, one of the big factors that made them interesting is that "viscous" bass sound they used for instance on 'Coulour Hurts' or 'Fait Accompli'

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I bought one of their albums once and couldn't stand it even though they supposedly sounded like stuff I did like.

Richard Wood Johnson, Thursday, 9 August 2007 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link

You know, it's been a long time since I heard Gift -- fantastic album.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

They just weren't very good. It's really quite sinful to suggest otherwise.

PhilK, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

They just weren't very good. It's really quite sinful to suggest otherwise.

And you're just knee-jerk hating jackass. Cosmic balance is restored.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Missed this a few weeks ago, but I'm enjoying the continually mounting ILM evidence that Bimble and I are actually the same person:

TS: Curve's "Horror Head" vs. Garbage's entire discography

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Did Scylla (Toni Halliday's band between Curve breaking up and getting back together again) ever release anything apart from 1 song on the Showgirls soundtrack? I saw them live in '95 and they were quite good.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 08:19 (sixteen years ago) link

"And you're just knee-jerk hating jackass. Cosmic balance is restored."

Why would I hate knee-jerks?

PhilK, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link

in addition to being not very good they also screwed up a potentially fine jamc album with their pedal hopping overproduced agenda setting ways

cw, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Huh?

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

honey's dead.

cw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 08:34 (sixteen years ago) link

What, because the drummer played on it??

baaderonixx, Thursday, 23 August 2007 08:40 (sixteen years ago) link

...with trademark overly fussy curve drumming. and the producer produced it. with a wall of nasty curve fx gloss.so, yes.

cw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link

well Alan Moulder produced half of the records that came out around that time, so I wouldn't define him as the Curve producer, but anyway... Still my fave JAMC album with 'Psychocandy'

baaderonixx, Thursday, 23 August 2007 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah it seems a little unfair to blame Curve just for having the same producer as them!

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 23 August 2007 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link

honey's dead sounds specifically modeled on curve to me, it has the same studio tricks, the same bombast, the same drumming, the same fussiness. i initially totally loved hd and also the ten little boys ep but found they both palled pretty quickly. robin guthrie made a similiar mess of felt's ignite the seven canons. assuming bands with vaguelly aligned aethetics would benefit from the same production job.

cw, Thursday, 23 August 2007 09:23 (sixteen years ago) link

also Cuckoo is their best album by an order of magnitude

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 01:08 (six months ago) link

To each his own. Never much cared for Cuckoo despite some good moments. But then again all their albums were flawed. Pubic Fruit all the way

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 22 September 2023 05:44 (six months ago) link

well yeah the EPs were the real high point.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 09:48 (six months ago) link

Curve is one of those bands where I kinda liked them, picked up Cuckoo at a record store on a whim, it became one of my favorite albums of all time, and I never really bothered finding any of their other music. Now, my curiosity is piqued and I'm finally listening to the E.P.s that comprised Pubic Fruit after all these years. Might be doing some Bandcamping today.

beard papa, Friday, 22 September 2023 16:51 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Physical box set coming in February:

Unreadable Communication: Anxious Recordings 1991-1993

The two albums, four EPs, some remixes and some live stuff. Does not include Peel Sessions, which are supposed to be very good.

I'm not a fan, but if you want remastered CDs, here you go.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:52 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

so, remember this from a while back :

"but more to the point .. did all cd copies of the album come with doubled up inner sleeves as a spin off from the album name .. or is that just me being a little too nerdy ?

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:53 PM (eighteen years ago)
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well, a twitter account posted this weekend re the album, so i asked the question re the doubling up.

and look what happened :


π˜Ύπ™π™π™‘π™€
liked your reply
question : was i only the person who bought this on cd to find the inner booklet doubled up ?
i assumed it was a play on the album name ..

!!!

mark e, Saturday, 9 March 2024 19:16 (one month ago) link


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