I dunno -- this is the line of argument that I always saw cropping up in grad school talk about various pieces of literature always being designed to undercut itself. "Don't you see? It was all ironic!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
I, like Markus, was turned on to a bunch of other music via R&H. Good music...music even ILM likes!
Now I feel mean, but I shouldn't. My beef was more with the STATEMENT made by all those references, which I took then and take now to be "This is the company we are now keeping. These are standards by which we wish to be judged. History, open another chapter. There is a new band in town."
I mean, chutzpah, and it works, but what's it not an ounce of? Fun.
― A.C.M.E. (A.C.M.E.), Friday, 1 July 2005 07:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 July 2005 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 1 July 2005 11:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 1 July 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 1 July 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 1 July 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 2 July 2005 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, 2 July 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 2 July 2005 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link
These two were back-to-back prom themes for my high school class and the year before me, so OTM.
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Nice to see Acme back around here, I'd kinda wondered what happened to ya!
― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 3 July 2005 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Eno is doing keyboards on Heartland -- a song you forget while you're listening to it
lolz
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 6 July 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
"am i buggin' ya?" provided some MST3K chuckles, at least. Oh please please please tell me that Joel/Crow/Tom ripped the "Rattle & Hum" movie a new asteroidhole...that movie was bad enough to be the subject of an episode of MST2K.
-- Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, July 2, 2005 4:55 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link Great Concept! Somebody do it!
hmmm you know I may be able to grant this wish - my in-laws run Rifftraxx with Mike Nelson
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 6 July 2007 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
"Desire" was that one bit I did like from it then, and do still. As for the rest... um no, way too much cold vomit and lukewarm crap on two vinyls.
― t**t, Friday, 6 July 2007 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link
!!!
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i played this album for my gf on the way to work yesterday b/c she hadn't heard it beyond a couple singles. there was lots of cringing from the passenger side.
― omar little, Friday, 26 September 2008 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
the live tracks on this kind of wreck the flow of the much better studio tracks, it would have been a really good 9-song album imo.
― omar little, Friday, 26 September 2008 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^ so very, very true
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Friday, 26 September 2008 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I love it.
― the pinefox, Friday, 26 September 2008 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Back when this came out, we used to file into school assemblies to classical music picked out by the fearsome by-the-rule-book Head of Upper School. One week he got the boys who switched on/off the records to pick something out. They played "Angel of Harlem".
― snoball, Friday, 26 September 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
did he call those rascals into his office and put them on double secret academic probation?
― omar little, Friday, 26 September 2008 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link
If by that you mean "did they get a bollocking?" then yes.
― snoball, Friday, 26 September 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
"Angel Of Harlem" is of course one of only three UK Top 20 hit singles to namecheck John Coltrane.Your question for ten: what were the other two?
Ian Dury - Reasons to be cheerful, part 3.
"Don't Believe the Hype"? Did that go top 20?
What about Sheryl Crow?
1996 "If It Makes You Happy" UK Singles Chart 9
"Listen to Coltrane/derail your own train . . ."
― Oh my god pink flamingoes (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 26 September 2008 18:06 (fifteen years ago) link
The difference between U2 and The KLF is that The KLF does blatant exploitation that's fun to listen to.
The White Room samples the crowd noise from Rattle and Hum extensively, especially on Last Train to Transcentral.
― Billy Dods, Friday, 26 September 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
The UK version does; redacted from (inferior) US version
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Friday, 26 September 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
It's too calculated but it's a reasonably good, ambitious record, any "consensus" that it's bad is wrong.
― Vision, Friday, 26 September 2008 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^^ deaf person
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Friday, 26 September 2008 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not really willing to become U2's advocate, but just to give teh kitteh above some perspective:
Allmusic 3/5Christgau B+RS 4/5Amazon 4/5
Also, keep in mind that tribal/provincial "consensus" often amounts to superstition and/or manipulation.Carry on.
― Vision, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
allmusic is exceptionally generous in their star ratings, christgau is notoriously rong much of the time, rolling stone lol, amazon lol
i say this as one of ilx's few u2 apologists btw
― omar little, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean this was the first u2 album i heard and i have a soft spot for it tbh but i think listening to it yesterday sort of sealed the deal for me on its major problems.
― omar little, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
superstition? like, if I confess to liking Rattle and Hum I will get hit by a car or have bad luck for 7 years?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Allmusic: this ties for third-worst U2 album based on their star systemChristgau: lists Achtung, Baby as a bombRolling Stone: 3.5/5, which makes it third-worst album, amazing considering the band could basically fart into a boom mike and RS would give them 4 starsAmazon: lol you're joking, right?
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Friday, 26 September 2008 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Exactly the opposite Shakey one, if you just go with the flow of any given small-community consensus, it's like accepting a superstitious belief because, well, you want to belong, you don't want to be seen as different and you are, at the end of the day, afraid to express yourself and venture out in the world as an individual.
omar little and small cat, those four sources above are, at the very least, as valid as this one.
― Vision, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
railing against the ILM "hivemind" = strawman argument
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it's confusing given the maturity level of the average ILX post but this isn't high school. People here aren't "going with the flow", they are agreeing because that's what they believe.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Friday, 26 September 2008 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
vision are you this bizarrely accusatory and conspiratorial when you talk to people in person?
― goole, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link
i think rattle and hum is embarrassing and weak because i've listened to it, and that's what it sounds like. look at me, venturing into the world, totally unafraid to express myself
― goole, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Shakey, not if you take the thread's original premise into account: it's about how ILMers think "this one is pretty bad".small cat, there's no difference, it's just your way to give more weight to the opinions found here, it's still arbitrary.
― Vision, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Defend The Indefensible: Babies
― omar little, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't agree with Dan the small cat about very much but he is right on this count.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/automatic_writing/EvenanAndroidCanCry.jpg
― velko, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I will say you are excellent with the type of trolling that stimulates conversation, Vision; you could give Geir a run for his money.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Friday, 26 September 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
xp: meglolz
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Friday, 26 September 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
70s Vision = klassick
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
00s Vision = troll
Really? How am I a troll again small cat? I don't remember calling anyone a "deaf person"-- now that would be trolling.
― Vision, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
he's got you there dude
― goole, Friday, 26 September 2008 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
This album would have been fine if it was released as a sort of odds-n-sodds stopgap, minus all the hoopla. That said, iirc I bought a poster in the theatre lobby after I saw the movie.
BTW, yesterday I came across this Chilean U2 tribute band that absolutely kills it. Their Bono es muy bueno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LemonU2trib
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 August 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
Weird, that was just a link to their youtube home page. Anyway, here's a song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4KKCx3CAC0
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 August 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
never not funny to me that neil tennant's off-the-cuff review manages to be absolutely wrong in almost every detail -- in what conceivable way is R&H "like 1969 again"? -- but overall absolutely correct (rattle and hum is bad not good and PSB were right to be against it)
― mark s, Monday, 2 August 2021 17:59 (two years ago) link
I think the context's important, namely the Wilburyizing of the pop charts on both sides of the Atlantic, though you people had acid house on the chart.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 August 2021 18:01 (two years ago) link
"Somewhere Down the Crazy River" provided grist for Robertson impersonations between me and my friends for years, though... "Man, this is sure stirring up some ghosts for me".I think the song was a dry run for the semi-autobiographical screenplay that a Rolling Stone article said he had written at this time.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 August 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
"You know, I'm going to go down to Burger King to get a Whopper and see if the cashier can read my mind... She said your coupon is not valid anymore."
― earlnash, Monday, 2 August 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link