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"McAlmont and Butler" is fantastic. How the hell did Bernard Butler get from that to....ugh...whatever he did afterwards?

Norman Phay, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Animal Nitrate' was their best song I thought. I want to know whether other people thought that was their best song.

maryann, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Of course it's amazing. Some days I prefer "Metal Mickey".

Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"What does it take to turn you on...?!" is one the best phrases in pop.

Simon, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original.
No way Chris. The one and only version of "Shipbuilding" is and will always be Robert Wyatt's. But nevertheless it is probably the best song Brett Anderson has ever sung. ;-)

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Brett Anderson as shipbuilder = too great a leap of imagination

Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i actually like two or three tracks off that first bernard butler solo record. am i alone here?

maura, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think you are Maura. The songs were fine just his thin, reedy voice, oh dear.

Apparently Alan McGhee said he was getting the new Neil Young when he signed him, which makes him an even bigger mentalist than BB.

Billy Dods, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why, Gareth? Well because if it isn't then what's the difference between 'glamour' like wot Brett did and 'piling on the slap and getting off your face' like wot everyone in Ritzys nightclub does

a good question. i'm not entirely sure there is a difference, or that there should be. but, assuming there is a difference, i think that would be that the 'glamour' in Suede songs is about a glamour far away, unattainable, 'one day we'll get to the big city' again i supposes there is the old 'outsider chic' going on. whereas the ritzys thing, well, thats a 'here and now', an integral part of the working week, acceptance. i do not attempt to big up one at the expense of the other here, or to denigrate anything, but trying to distinguish in some way.

what mcgee said is entirely in keeping with his rather narrow rock oriented focus, suede didn't need BB in the end, but he rather needed them.

gareth, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Brett Anderson as shipbuilder = too great a leap of imagination

Well, he did usually sport a builder's crack, and not to great effect.

Now he looks like Steve Dallas, at least that's funny...

Nicole, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Okay, have to say I love Suede. Always did. Hello, I am a Bowie casualty. Official. All of the albums. Even liked Neil Codling, the world's most unlikely ME sufferer. Always rooted for Brett due to his background!

I'm not really overly concerned or critical about the lyrics because they're supposed to be cryptic, OTT and rub people the wrong way. Bernard Butler really poncey and a bit phobic about Suede lifestyle things but he was the one I saw in Hampstead walking away from Diana funeral motorcade passage so perhaps secret royalist/conservative?

The difference between Suede decadence and Ritzy decadence is the former is queerish and the latter reads no books and loves no art.

suzy, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bernard Butler really poncey and a bit phobic about Suede lifestyle things but he was the one I saw in Hampstead walking away from Diana funeral motorcade passage so perhaps secret royalist/conservative?

I knew there was something weird about him, this makes sense (and is very funny)...

Nicole, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nicole, that's not nearly as funny as the Steve Dallas doppelganger effect. But is apt - does everyone know the highly dodgy story of 'bring on the nine-year-old'?

suzy, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh yeah, what is that about? Meanwhile Bernie sat in his hotel room, crying into his acoustic. How did this group of people meet anyhow? It makes no sense.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Apparently 'Steve Dallas' allegedly had some rather dubious relations with a younger person and when he finished and was informed of his indiscretion, croaked 'bring on the nine-year-old!' This is a widely circulated story for Brit media types!

They met cos: Brett and Justine were at architecture college and togeth-ah for that duration and decided to form band with Mat, Brett's best friend. Drummers were tried, including Mike Joyce from the Smiths, then they got Simon and stuck with him. Bernerd was thrown up by a Melody Maker advert. Rule A is that the last one in on the advert is always the first one chucked. Ally, you won't like this but they wrote a great big long letter to Nick asking for their great hero Momus' verdict on their stuff; he wrote a sniffy one back saying they were so mediocre they'd be massive. Justine left band after leaving Brett for Demon Allbran.

suzy, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

See, I know nothing about Suede's history, specifically about how Bernie hooked up with the band. HIm coming thru an advert makes much more sense than the idea I did have that they were all best chums somehow, cos quite frankly he don't seem like the type to be best chums with Brett Anderson.

Justine should've just stayed in Suede, she'd probably be better off.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always thought Justine was ace - I saw her at Gorillaz after-party and she was lookin' fab and having an upbeat, civil conversation with her ex. Invited me for 'tea' but I've been too chicken to go. I really must. She gets the classic Yoko rough ride for having relationships with guys in groups but is a talented, cool, catalysing girl. She told me a story once about being in school, a posh place where the rich girls sniffed at her for saying she wanted to live in Kensington. She wasn't rich then. Well, her dad made a ton of money in the late 80s and the first thing he did was to buy her a flat there as a fuck-you to the mean girls.

suzy, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i liked their belgian nu-beat period. "electronic body music" - did anyone actually used to call it that?? i hope not!

bob snoom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My problem with Justine wholly stems from the men she chooses to date, they're vile. Plus I really don't like Elastica's music much. Still, better her than Damon "Freddy Krueger" Albarn.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nobody deserves Damon Albarn. End of story.

Nicole, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, I can think of some people I'd force Damon upon.

Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ally -- you are right! I have had a bit of a rethink on this one. But then I think, perhaps even Damon doesn't deserve that fate...

Nicole, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh dear, now that's harsh

Ally, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It is, it is. But what can I say, I'm evil.

But I'm paying for it now, just bringing this up has placed unsavory mental images in my head.

Nicole, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You are pretty evil. But then again some people deserve evil.

Ally, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

was listening to Head Music for first time yesterday, and oh dear! it really is disappointing. she's in fashion isn't bad, but the rest was very mediocre.

gareth, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
CD80 'portable' Suede (UK) go!

The Drowners
My Insatiable One
Metal Mickey
Animal Nitrate
So Young
Stay Together (edit)
We Are the Pigs
The Wild Ones
New Generation
Trash
Beautiful Ones
Saturday Night (edit)
Lazy
Film Star
The Chemistry Between Us
Electricity
She's In Fashion
Everything Will Flow
Can't Get Enough

(80:09, this one was easy to compile as a hits survey. the non-single tracks are my essentials - and remember if you disagree, post yours!)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
I wouldn't have met my fiance had it not been for Suede. They made a difference to alot of people.

kinski (kinski), Sunday, 16 May 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 May 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Never occurred to me before, but HOLY SHIT does Suede's "Filmstar" rip off T.Rex's "Children of the Revolution".

I guess it's not that much of a surprise, but I just randomly put on the latter and it hit me like a falling anvil.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

This is not surprising since the general role model of Coming Up was The Slider. Which I'm more than fine with.

As it happened, I brought the singles disc with me to work. Revival time!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Why not? I was thinking about them also, yesterday, or the day before. No, it was Saturday. I had turned on R2: it was - I'm afraid - Chris Evans: he started a record, which was 'The Lovers', and introduced it: 'Here are Texas'.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

You had fallen into a time warp to 1995. You must harness this natural phenomenon for the good of the world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only person on the planet who enjoys Head Music? There are some great tracks on there, I think. Even "Can't Get Enough" (which always strikes these ears like "Can't Get It Up")

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only person on the planet who enjoys Head Music?

Heck no. A noted fan is one Mr. John Darnellye of the Goats of Mountain, who wrote a wonderful essay on the album in one of the last print editions of Last Train to Jakarta.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

'Can't Get Enough' is one of the most memorable tracks. But here is a Suede song that I reckon smashing and underrated: 'Lonely Girls'!!

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, I'm blanking on that title for some reason. B-side, or was that on A New Morning?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The latter. I did not mean to imply that it was on Head Music, though perhaps I seemed to. It is track 3 or so, I think.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

That was an album that I felt very indifferent about, a track or two aside. I shall relisten to said song tonight.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I own the Stay Together EP on cassette, which I played just two nights ago. "My Dark Star" and "Dolly" are de-lish.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"My Dark Star" is extremely frickin' great. I was lucky enough to catch them doing that live back in 1994.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Scratch that, 1995. Close enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

'Dolly' on Stay Together? In truth I don't remember the track anyway - but I recall that ep having title track, 'The Living Dead' and 'My Dark Star', and those B-sides being quite (marvellous) enough. Is this a tape-specific version?

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dolly" ended up stuck on the American version of the "Stay Together" single.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link


there's an accoustic DOLLY from gawd-knows-where on s0uls££k. hadn't heard it before. they dropped it from the live set just as METAL MICKEY was about to come out, so it must be 91/92 era.

when is LOVE AND POISON coming out on dvd then do we think?


piscesboy, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The twelfth of never?

I'm kinda surprised the website is still up. Did Mat, Richard and Simon just decide to retire and relax?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The guitar on Sleeping Pills is absolutely beautiful, for that if nothing else they should be listened to. I agree that they went too far on album 2 and then lost their way. But I recall seeing them at the Phoenix festival in 95, just after Butler had left; everyone was predicting they'd be crap, it was pissing with rain and the e i'd taken was a dud. Suede played a blinder.

uncledaddy, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I love some of the discussion upthread, Nicole and Ally and Suzy all circulating vicious (entertaining!) gossip!

Underrated "Filmstar" moment -- that shift between the NIN/Zeppelin crunch on the verses and the none-more-psych tripped-out chorus. If you will.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The guitar on Sleeping Pills is absolutely beautiful, for that if nothing else they should be listened to. I agree that they went too far on album 2 and then lost their way. But I recall seeing them at the Phoenix festival in 95, just after Butler had left; everyone was predicting they'd be crap, it was pissing with rain and the e i'd taken was a dud. Suede played a blinder.
-- uncledaddy (craigkenn...), November 8th, 2005.

aces. brett in a shirt n tie, first performance of 'by the sea'...sweet.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Dog Man Star was my number-one album of 1994.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

So which band is likely to be opening tonight in Silver Spring? Chicago was the last show.

Chris L, Friday, 18 November 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link

Probably Suede, as the Manics opened in Chicago, and I believe they’re alternating.

blatherskite, Friday, 18 November 2022 15:41 (one year ago) link

I saw Suede at the Øya festival in Oslo in August. I loved it and it was the festival highlight for me. But obe thing surprised me, and that was the lack of new songs. The entire set contained the the new single and one song from "Bloodsports", nothing else from the reunion years, everything else from the 90s even including some deep cuts from the debut album (so great to hear "Pantomime Horse" at a Suede gig in 2022). And they had s new album coming in even, but ignored it completely save for that one single.

Looking at their setlists, this seems to be a typical thing. I like their new albums a lot (especially the two moodier ones in the middle) but they almost ignored that phase completely. This may have made the concert better, because even though the new songs are good, fans are less familiar with it than the old stuff. Especially since this was a festival eith not only hardcore fans in the audience.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Friday, 18 November 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

Hmm. We got two from the new album, one from Blue Hour, one from Bloodsports and iirc none from Night Thoughts (which may be my fave of the comeback albums). One b-side (Flash Boy), the rest hits (as such). I suspect that because of the dual headliner nature of the set that the band lost some stage time.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

I've seen them quite a few times in the last 10 years, and they play a lot more of their newer songs in regular tour gigs. Festivals are definitely greatest hits affairs, and they seem to be treating the US tour that way too. I would expect a few from the new album and its immediate predecessors when I see them in Glasgow in March, though they'll no doubt end the set with a lot of of the big ones.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 18 November 2022 20:38 (one year ago) link

They played a slew of shows tied in with Autofiction's release that was nothing BUT the new album plus "It Starts And Ends With You." So it does vary.

Giving nothing away about the conversation: when I had that nice chance to hang with the band the other week, it was very clear they're very conscious about their setlist choices and what they play depending on where they're at, the nature of the show etc., and that they're open to turning over ideas among themselves.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 November 2022 20:50 (one year ago) link


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