― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
Search: Get Ready, and about everything else especially Technique just for Dream Attack, their very best song.
Destroy: As It Is When It Was on Brotherhood, a piece of shit with the most inconstant rhythm I have ever heard. And I don't like Technique's Run, it's simply irritating. The remixes of the Low Life songs on Substance pale to the originals.
― Tijn, Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
I've only heard technique and i like it. an excellent record.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 29 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
DESTROY: the original versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion", the version of "Confusion" that's on the Blade soundtrack, that song with Billy Corgan on Get Ready, The Rest of New Order, and disc three of Retro.
― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 29 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Saturday, 29 March 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 29 March 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
destroy: everything after "regret", including from track 2 of republic.
(in less charitable moods i would say destroy everything after "ceremony", but that's to judge them by its unfairly high standards)
― kieron, Sunday, 30 March 2003 07:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Destroy: "World in Motion," "Shell-Shock."
― Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't know as I'd destroy anything, but the songs that just sit on the I & IV chords are the only ones I care much about.
― Burr (Burr), Monday, 31 March 2003 00:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
Oh yes it is. Trust me.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link
Nothing recorded by either can touch "1963" or "Doubts Even Here", though.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link
?????? god help us all
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:58 (twenty years ago) link
"Bizarre Love Triangle" is one of my fave singles evah.
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:12 (twenty years ago) link
I'd certainly avoid 90% of the remixes as well (via The Rest of and elsewhere).
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Saturday, 23 August 2003 09:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link
god i love new order so very very much it almost physically hurts.
is john denver really credited in the brackets after 'run 2' on the best of sleeve or is someone having me on ?
― piscesboy, Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 22 September 2003 04:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 22 September 2003 06:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Alan (Alan), Monday, 22 September 2003 08:23 (twenty years ago) link
― piscesboy, Monday, 22 September 2003 09:52 (twenty years ago) link
How come no one has mentioned Thieves Like Us yet? (Surely the best single made be anyone ever etc)
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 22 September 2003 11:22 (twenty years ago) link
― piscesboy, Monday, 22 September 2003 11:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:08 (twenty years ago) link
'Mesh' on Substance is in fact Cries and Whispers - they mis-titled it.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 05:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:05 (twenty years ago) link
DigitalDisorderInsightNew Dawn FadesShe's Lost ControlShadowplayWildernessInterzoneTransmissionSomething Must BreakDead SoulsLove Will Tear Us Apart (single a-side vers.)IsolationA Means to an EndHeart and SoulTwenty Four HoursDecadesLove Will Tear Us Apart (Peel Session vers.)Ceremony (from Still)
(pretty straightforward and tidy, I wanted Ceremony on the end to point the way to the future).
--------------------------------New Order 'portable' disc1 80:56
Ceremony (re-recorded vers from FAC 33T/Substance)Temptation (5/87 from Substance)Blue Monday (12" vers. from Substance)Confusion (5/87 from Substance)Thieves Like UsSub-culture (Robie remix from Substance)Perfect Kiss (extended vers. from Substance)True Faith1963 (94 edit from Best Of)Fine TimeRound & RoundRunRegret
(the first disc in my 'three histories' of New Order. It's my dream Substance disc1, with the singles from Technique and "Regret" tacked on - oh! and 1963 which is not the remix, but just a slightly shorter edit of the original. Oh and I LOVE the "Sub-culture" remix).
--------------------------------New Order 'portable' disc2 80:38
Everything's Gone GreenDreams Never EndAge of ConsentLove VigilantesShellShock (12" vers.)ParadiseWeirdoBroken PromiseState of the Nation (12" vers.)Blue Monday 1988All the WayLove LessGuilty PartnerVanishing PointDream AttackWorld in Motion (single mix)World (The Price of Love)Ruined in a Day
(covers additional singles and favorite album tracks and most of the additional tracks from 'Technique')
--------------------------------New Order 'portable' disc3 80:51
586Your Silent FaceSub-culture (album vers.)SunriseElegia (album vers.)As It Is When It WasAll Day LongMr. DiscoSpookyEveryone EverywhereYoung OffenderAvalancheCrystal (radio edit)60 Miles an HourClose RangeRun WildHere to Stay (radio edit)
(essential odds-n-ends and my faves from 'Get Ready')
side order 'portable' New Order side projects 78:04
Electronic - Getting Away With It (extended vers.)Electronic - Get the Message (album vers.)Electronic - Idiot CountryElectronic - RealityElectronic - Tighten UpElectronic - Feel Every BeatElectronic - Disappointed (single mix)Electronic - Forbidden CityElectronic - For YouElectronic - One DayElectronic - Second NatureThe Other Two - Tasty Fish (album vers.)The Other Two - Selfish (The Single Mix)The Other Two - Selfish (That Pop Mix)Monaco - What Do You Want from Me?Monaco - Happy Jack
(surprisingly strong, I find I listen to this quite a bit. This disc generously pretends that Revenge never happened! also 'Twisted Tenderness' is absent and the last Other Two album which I haven't even heard. The second Monaco album is ignored because I don't remember anything from it).-----------------------------
I love these CDs probably more than any non-person thing.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:36 (twenty years ago) link
scott said about 15 months ago:Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance) so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.
-- gygax! (gygax0r@...), September 26th, 2002 8:05 PM.
IMHO, the finest thing they ever did. i have a pristine rip if you're interested.
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:38 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 03:12 (twenty years ago) link
The full-length extended version is on the 2008 2CD deluxe edition of Low-Life (the one on Substance is missing ~40 seconds). Why they can't include a second disc of bonus tracks (especially for $150) I don't know. I'm getting it for the live stuff though. And I guess because I have the first two and they will all look nice on my shelf.
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 3 February 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link
iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe
Barely though. The final few minutes of The Perfect Kiss 12" were what all of music up until 1985 was leading to (sez me) and CD/digital versions of Substance butcher it.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 3 February 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link
^ as f. hazel says (just wanted to reiterate it because it annoys me)
The "bundle" included The Perfect Kiss 12".
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 3 February 2023 23:41 (one year ago) link
Substance 1987 getting a 4CD deluxe reissue in November.
The 2023 reissue sees the audio remastered and expanded to four CDs. This 4CD version includes the original 2CD set and adds two further discs. CD3 expands the collection with alternate versions and extra B-sides, while CD4 features an unreleased concert, Live from Irvine Meadows, California, 12th September 1987, where the band uniquely played the entire album in sequence!There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music
There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.
Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music
Track listing:
CD 1 (remastered)CeremonyEverything’s Gone GreenTemptation 87Blue Monday Confusion 87 Thieves Like UsThe Perfect KissSub-Culture ShellshockState Of The NationBizarre Love TriangleTrue Faith
CD 2 (remastered)In A Lonely PlaceProcessionCries And WhispersHurtThe BeachConfused InstrumentalLonesome TonightMurderThieves Like Us InstrumentalKiss Of DeathShame Of The Nation1963
CD 3Ceremony (Original)MeshTemptation (12”)Confusion (Original 12”)Perfect PitDub VultureShellcockBizarre Dub TriangleTrue DubConfusion (Dub 87)True Faith (Remix)
CD 4LIVE FROM IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE, CALIFORNIA 1987 CeremonyEverything’s Gone GreenTemptation 87 Blue MondayConfusion 87Thieves Like UsThe Perfect KissSub-cultureShellshockState Of The NationBizarre Love TriangleTrue Faith
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 14 September 2023 03:01 (seven months ago) link
Some chat over here:
Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2023 03:20 (seven months ago) link