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so just to be clear, someone who really, really likes Journey in Satchidananda should get what next? Ptah? Monastic Trio?

― Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Tyler Wilcox, definitely go for Ptah, The El Daoud. Mmm. "Blue Nile" is too lovely for words.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

(Incidentally, isn't the intro to Journey in Satchidananda one of the *best album intros evah*? Mmm. That awesome bassline.)

― Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say go with Ptah, but that's because, again, it's my favorite and I have trouble recommending, y'know, one of the other great albums if you don't already had that one.

― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, the thing about some of the other great albums (e.g., UC, WG) is they're aiming toward a different sound. If you like the 'Ptah' and 'Journey In Satchidananda' aspects of Alice it doesn't necessarily follow that you'll like her other stuff.

I personally *prefer* her more mystical, string-laden music. I think it's absolutely beautiful and unique. In fact, the only song I really like on Transcendence is "Prema"---and it's mostly due to the beautiful string arrangement.

"Lord of Lords" also has some great pieces, like her rendition of Stravinsky's "Firebird," and the beautiful, joyous "Going Home."

― Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

cool, thanks for the info. the only other AC CD i have is the most recent one, which strikes me as more of a grab-bag of various styles. i've heard a couple songs from the more string-laden releases and dig that too. but "journey" is really knocking my socks off currently. can't quite believe i hadn't heard it up until a few months ago! it's got a really amazing, sustained groove throughout that i don't think i've heard anywhere else. and the more eastern instrumentation mixed with that harp mixed with pharoah sander...wow!

― Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Mmm. Have been revisiting her catalogue lately and I can't help but feel that Alice is immensely underrated. Listening to pieces like "Transcendence" just corroborates how *unique* her sound is.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

listening to huntington ashram monastery at the moment, and i like it. dont seem to be a huge amount of mentions for this one, is it considered one of the 'lesser' ones?

― terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I imagine it's because you can't get it on CD

― Dadaismus PBUH (Dada), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

... therefore hardly any of us have heard it!

― Dadaismus PBUH (Dada), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:26 (eighteen years ago) link

It is available on CD, though, as a Japanese import. It was recently reissued. I'm sure you can find it cheaper somewhere else.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but you'll be a dear and rip it for us, right?

― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Fine. Huntington Ashram Monastery. Enjoy.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if "Ptah..." has been reissued on vinyl ala "Journey in Satchidinanda"? I could have sworn I saw it in the record shops awhile back but now I can't find it anywhere?

I also would dearly love to find the cassette-only recordings. It seems that Ed Michel produced at least one of them.

The live album (Transfiguration?) is really, really good. Haynes & Workman are ideal sidemen for her. Anybody ever hear her album with Santana?

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

from my first post of the thread: Illuminations - this is an album put out between Alice and Carlos Santana. it's from 74 and is pretty heavy fusion. good if you like fusion (i do).

she also arranged some songs on one of his albums "Welcome". it's pure white with the word Welcome embossed on the cover

― team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for that, Turangalila!

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

OOPS. Well, that's pretty much how I imagined it sounded. I think I've run my course with fusion for the time being. The next ones to get on the list are her album with Joe Henderson and "Lord of Lords".

I hope she cuts another album in considerably shorter time than the gap between her last 2. Harp would be nice for the next one.

I'd also like to see the quadrophonic stuff reissued on multichannel SACD.

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, looking at the liners to Welcome closer, Leon Thomas sings (or whistles) on a majority of the tracks. and Flora Purim sings on one track. i can't believe i've never really listened to this.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there a way to open that zip file on a Mac?

― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're on OSX, click on the file, do apple+i (get info) and say open with Stuffit Expander instead of BOMArchiveHelper.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks so much Turangalila and jaxon. It sounds great so far.

― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Is the sound supposed to be slightly distorted?

― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, seems like the masters for both Lord of Lords and HAM sound awkwardly distorted.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Turangalila!

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

js, you guys have Huntington at the station ...

Thanks for the Alice recommendations; I'd been avoiding her for some reason. She's critically underrated.

― Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

js just told me about the Huntington Ashram rip--and the dl limit has already been reached. Damn! Could some fine person repost through ysi? Pretty please? I loves me some Alice Coltrane, especially some I haven't heard in years. I've got the rest--other than the brand new one--on vinyl and/or cd. The HAM is the missing link for me. Pretty pretty please?

― J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Huntington Ashram Monastery

― Turangalila (Salvador), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Brakhage! How you doin'? How's the West Coast? Have you thrown your lot in with Death Row yet, or are you still reppin' Bad Boy?

― js (honestengine), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Aieeeee! Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /download/(etc. etc.)

Why me, lord?

― J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

use rapidshare.de, yo

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Huntington Ashram Monastery (Rapidshare.de)

― Turangalila (Salvador), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

you're a good man, charlie brown

― team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you thank you thank you. rapidshare seems to be working (yo).

― J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Saturday, 11 February 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the YSI.

― Harpal (harpal), Saturday, 11 February 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I just wanted to add my thanks for sharing that album. Very generous.

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll add my thanks, too. I just finally listened to HAM this morning. Four times. It's amazing. The rhythm section really just kills. I need to get Monastic Trio.

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

There's a rumor (AAJ) that Alice Coltrane has passed away.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

What the FUCK?!?!?!?!

― Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Please someone clarify this now.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Nooooooooo. I really really really don't want this to be true.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

wiki page has been updated.
thread over at waxidermy -> http://www.waxidermy.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=6929

:(((((

― zappi (joni), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

It's true. And, no, my source isn't the page but I trust it.

Oh, man. This is so sad.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, it's true, Lois Gilbert from Jazz Corner and Chris Albertson (jazz historian) are confirming it. no public confirmation yet, but it does sadly seem to be true.

http://speakeasy.jazzcorner.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?p=579829

― Jonathan Abbey (erstwhile), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck. I knew I should have gone to see her play last year.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 14 January 2007 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh God, no.

― Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 14 January 2007 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP

― 808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link

SUCK

my first thought is just like with Octavia Butler - at least we have one last work to explore that she left with us before she died.

I am going to put on "Journey In Satchidananda" now and maybe even cry a bit.

― sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

what a fucking shame

― max (maxreax), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:52 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 14 January 2007 06:04 (seventeen years ago) link

she played two months ago in san francisco... and I missed it. by all reports, it was good with a few completely transcendent peaks.

this one really comes as a surprise.

― milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 14 January 2007 06:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Skipping 588 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

or, more accurately, buy this disc(s) (liner notes by EM being, i think, what's pushed me over)

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 02:21 (four weeks ago) link

love stirmonsters story, thats so amazing

― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 13:20 (four weeks ago) link

four weeks pass...

I was at a funeral of a friend of 40 years standing yesterday. An incredible person with incredible taste in books, music and films. A life long devoted anti-fascist too.

He is one of a small number of people I know who truly loved Alice Coltrane. in his last days i hope i gave him a little joy by sharing some Alice bootlegs with him.

At the funeral he had requested Turiya & Ramakrishna be played in its entirety. Hearing that in a room full of his nearest and dearest in such a highly chaged emotional environment was quite a moment in time!

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:54 (yesterday) link

I’m sorry for your loss. (And that’s an awesome idea for a homegoing service, one that probably helped everyone process their grief.)

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:01 (yesterday) link

thank you.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:54 (yesterday) link

I'm also sorry for your loss, stirmonster. Whenever I hear "Galaxy In Turiya" I think to myself, "I want this played at my funeral." Glad to know there are others on the same wavelength.

― J. Sam, Thursday, 25 April 2024 01:37 (two hours ago) link

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