Why does anyone like the Fall?

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the totally wired comp is actually quite a good introduction, even though it only covers the rough trade years

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Victoria

That's a Kinks song, Mike!

Anyway, I think the hype is a bit overblown, and they sound like absolute shit on pot, but they have their moments. Eh.

Farmer Al (King Kobra), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

here's that "20th Century Fall" deal. It's pretty pop (though I didn't put "Victoria" on it, though for the double CD version - this is for a c90, I'd definitely make the cut.


1) “steppin out”
2) “rebellious jukebox”
3) “dice man”
4) “rowche rumble-live”
5) “pay your rates”
6) “fit and working again”
7) “totally wired”
8) “the classical”
9) “room to live”
10) “lie dream of the casino soul”
11) “i feel voxish”
12) “c.r.e.e.p.”
13) “rollin’ dany”

14) “couldn’t get ahead”
15) “living too late”
16) “frenz”
17) “wrong place, right time”
18) “dead beat descendant”
19) “black monk theme part I”
20) “free range”
21) “strychnine”
22) “hey student!”
23) “life just bounces”
24) “spinetrak”
25) “touch sensitive”
26) “hands up billy”

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

what they said = why i like the fall. though i have only heard everything they did up to perverted by language.

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Starting with Palace of Swords Reversed was a very good thing for me, I realize. Most recent Fall acquistions: the rerelease of Fall in a Hole and Listening In. Must get the solo spoken word thingy oh yes. Excuse me, my headache is still doing me in.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

Because they sound like absolute shit on pot.

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, the new BBC sessions comp _Words of Expectation_ (which I believe is very cheap in the U.K.--8 pounds or something?) is excellent excellent--their first five sessions, plus two pretty good sessions from the mid-'90s. But it's that third session (the one that goes "Container Drivers"/"Jawbone and the Air Rifle"/"New Puritan"/"New Face in Hell") that I've already amazed a couple of previously unconverted friends with.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

The Stephen Hanley-selected Peel Sessions album was sweet too. Especially for "Mess Of My" and "Strychnine." It goes from the first to the then-latest.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

the new BBC sessions comp _Words of Expectation_

Ah, lovely. I would happily shell out for a Fall boxset of Peel Sessions from then to now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

I have to admit that I don't get all the Fall hype, either. The only album I really dig so far is The Frenz Experiment, and even then I usually shut it off after "Oswald Defence Lawyer". I like to make fun of the fact that Mark E. Smith is still alive.

Pitchblender (Pitchblender), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, I already have a BBC sessions CD of Fall stuff.... what's the deal with this one? Are we confusing "BBC" with "Peel" again?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

where is all this fall hype people keep mentioning? are they on the cover of kerrang this month?

scott seward, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

where is all this fall hype people keep mentioning? are they on the cover of kerrang this month?

Would you believe... USA Today?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

the fall are in usa today? did they get a pie chart? which percentage of the country "gets" the fall and which percentage thinks they sound like shit on pot? i wanna see that!

scott seward, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

weaker than expected correlation bewteen wearing trucker hat and owning anything by the Fall!

Aaron A., Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

i hate em because they cancelled their tucson date last fall and now they're touring the u.s. again and they're not coming anywhere NEAR here the bastard.

that said i still like tons of their songs, for reasons stated elsewhere in this thread.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 04:38 (twenty years ago) link

I was really blown away by 'Tempo House' last time I listened to the 'Perverted by Language' LP. A big fat beat and a big fat bassline - it's almost funky even!

Keith McD (Keith McD), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 06:16 (twenty years ago) link

i first heard of the fall via some article on joy division when I was in high school and bought the then-recent Kurious Oranj just before I went into the hospital for a month for stomach surgery after I finished high school. This was the first CD I heard drifting in and out of anaesthesia and I played it to death for the next three weeks (alternating with, uh, Black Celebration, and, er... UK Jive by the Kinks which had also just come out and sucked). I think my subsequent demerol addiction somehow confused my brain and I became a Fall obsessive for several years. I still have something ridiculous like 30 CDs. I love them but I also understand that it takes some digging for the resistent but when I've made selective comps for people, even my most pop-loving friends have found stuff they can wrap their ears around. "Spinetrack" is a universal favorite.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 06:37 (twenty years ago) link

best band ever. why is this conversation happening?

mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

I kind of like them because they're strange and poetic - but it's like all poetry except the narrative stuff - you have to wonder whether you just like listening to it because it makes you feel strange and clever without you really being clever, only strange. But maybe there's no kind of cleverness that's not just a feeling.

Jody c., Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:03 (twenty years ago) link

I like The Fall because Mark E Smith has the most original mind in rock music. That's what gets me through the stretches of stuff which is just Fall-ish, because you never know when or whether something genuinely startling (and not 'startling' like a tempo change either) might happen EVEN IF it's the 100th time you've heard it. That said I also lose interest after a certain point and think the early stuff is the most intense and best.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:26 (twenty years ago) link

"Tempo House" on the Homestead Speed Trials comp (another live version) is an even more stone groove and is my preferred version, and moreover, the live version of "Smile" that follows it is the most vicious Fall track ever recorded.

I used to do Fall tribute radio shows while on WFMU. You can check one of them out here.

mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link


I like the Fall for the same reasons I like many of my favorite bands. a) The Fall are utterly (unutterrably? -- ed.) unpredictable, while still being somewhat formulaic + having a consistent raison d'etre. b) The Fall's catalog begs for exploration due to all the slight deviations and left turns, because it is consistently rewarding and nearly infinite, so that I can go thru a Fall phase, come out of it, and return to it with a new stack of ten CDs. And, finally, c) The Fall nearly fall apart at the seams on nearly every song, they teeter, will Mark E. Smith actually explode?

It's exciting stuff.

I picked up the Rough Trade years anthology when it came out not long ago and it comes off like a perfect mix tape. I listen to it all the time. Definitely a great starting point.

scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

OK, I need a Fall recommendation. I have the Rough Trade 2-cd collection and This Nation's Saving Grace, and I like both a lot, but what I like best are the really long songs that stretch out forever, namely The NWRA and Hip Priest off of the Rough Trade thing. What should I look for that has more stuff like that? I'm assuming live albums, but which ones?

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

That "Fall in a Hole" reissue looks pretty good, should I go with that?

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Palace of Swords Reversed was my gateway drug. Guess it's been usurped by the Sanctuary sets, which I find aesthetically disappointing in so many ways. In general just try to stay away from CD reissues of Tha Fall (not even going into sound quality). Singles comps that don't recreate all the amazing sleeve art, much less present the singles in their proper order, chronologically or side-to-side. And to tack singles onto the beginning of Grotesque or, far worse, put single sides right into the middle of This Nation's Saving Grace putting "Cruiser's Creek" at the end, is absolutely inexcusable.

abeta, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

**OK, I need a Fall recommendation. I have the Rough Trade 2-cd collection and This Nation's Saving Grace, and I like both a lot, but what I like best are the really long songs that stretch out forever, namely The NWRA and Hip Priest off of the Rough Trade thing. What should I look for that has more stuff like that?**

You should get Dragnet. It's the best Fall album AND it has 'A Figure Walks' and 'Muzorewi's Daughter' which I think you'd like.

It also has a really grainy, monochrome sound and lots of Mike Leigh's 'a row of terraced houses falling down' drum rolls. If anyone tells you it's really badly recorded they're nuts. It's PERFECT.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

the long, looooooong song form is perfected on "grotesque", where "the n.w.r.a." and "casn 'n' carry" come from.

mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

Right, then: you guys have lent me the urgency to listen past the couple early collections I have (one of which I've just noticed the AMG calls "insulting"). The trick now is to keep myself from downloading all the winners, as I'm pretty sure I'll be buying the albums now, and I'd hate to disappoint myself by having already cherry-picked them.

You guys will not appreciate this, but it occurs to me: I've never seen anyone writing about Beat Happening mention how Fall-like they can be. Primitive tom-thump, gorilla-handed repeating riff, singer moaning and sneering . . . throw "Bewitched" into a Fall playlist and it sits comfortably. I mention this mostly because I imagine many of you don't like Beat Happening.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

It's not like i only settle for godrich production or anything. hell, my fav sonic youth song is "world looks red".
i guess ill check out some of their earlier stuff. thanks to David R. for the advice.

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

Glad Felcher posted again.. I thought maybe he was a retaliating Dave Matthews Band fan..

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

no, no, i threw a few punches on the anti-dave side. it took me a while to post because i only have net access at work and i foolishly posted the question right before quittin' time.
i wasn't posting to insult the fall. i can tell there's something there. every time i put in either album, after the first ten minutes, i'm completely disgusted with it. considering i rarely get disgusted with music (i kind of like it when CD's start skipping, even if i love the song) i knew there was something up with this music. i was only posting the question to get a better idea of what the specific appeal of the band is, because CD reviewers usually just sound like they're giving good reviews to avoid being busted by the hipster police.

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

Everyone hates "The Infotainment Scan" - (except me) - you can usually get it for a buck or two - and it's pretty strong..

But maybe you just need to jump ahead on the CD until it starts to click. On This Nation's Saving Grace (one of the best records ever made) .. just listen to L.A. and Gut of the Quantifier.. two pretty accessible tracks.

Also, listen to it on Vinyl. The ordering on the CD sucks and the extra tracks ruined it.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

[From the Fall website:]

A request for MES:

we are in a band called the fall from norfolk, va and we are signed to an independent label..just wanted to let you know....maybe you can change your name to the fall uk so it does not conflict..thanks for your time

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

that's punk!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

simply one of the most brilliant bands in rock music, ever. not always great, or even good...but always brilliant. it's the spirit of them/him, just doing whatever is most direct. totally distinct from the get-go. the time with brix was to me the high point, but there's always something worth hearing on a fall album.

okay, but put a gun to my head? probably the wonderful and frightening world, prolly because it was really the first full album i got into back when it came out...still trying to find the peel mix of c.r.e.e.p...okay i haven't looked that hard, but it's the best one.

it would be a better world if the same attention endlessly lavished on, say, pet sounds, was spread like thick marmite on this nations saving grace.

long live the mighty fall!

skip


skip bosco, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

okay, here's the deal...

it's really not a matter of opinion --it's a fact that if you don't dig the fall, well, you're really somehow...how you say....deficient.

skip

skip bosco, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

You guys will not appreciate this, but it occurs to me: I've never seen anyone writing about Beat Happening mention how Fall-like they can be. Primitive tom-thump, gorilla-handed repeating riff, singer moaning and sneering . . . throw "Bewitched" into a Fall playlist and it sits comfortably. I mention this mostly because I imagine many of you don't like Beat Happening.

I like the Fall, and I like Beat Happening.. and I like the former far more than the latter. And you do have a point, in relation to more mid 80s Fall, though I think there's still this question of ferocity and layers that Beat Happening don't have (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but certainly a crucial difference IMGO)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

Beat Happening also have a significant cuteness and joy factor which further separates the primitive roots the two bands share

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Was I fucking deaf or something?

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Well you were going by Felcher ....

svend (svend), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

One day I think I might like the Fall.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

There's quite a bit of Brix in those Beat Happening guitar lines.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i wanna give MES a hug.

amanda lear (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i wanna give NES a hug.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to hug myself (for having scored all them recent reissues).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You know those car trips which are like drug trips? Where you catch glimpses of places you would never normally go? Where the light changes and strange music makes cinema of the stuff in the windscreen? Where odd corners of your brain get illuminated and you get buzzy? Well, Mark E. Smith can do that car trip thing with lyrics. I actually think he's Britain's greatest living poet, with a clattery rock band behind him.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Felonious, do you have 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong? THAT is your introduction--even Jess liked the cherry-picked latter-day stuff.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

further to the interview, there is a pretty significant subset of fall cratediggers who will listen to all these different recordings critically and point out standouts - not sure if they've been in touch with those folks, but god i bet they could curate some truly killer sets based on their tapes. far better than the grey-market piles of crap that come out now.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:38 (one week ago) link

It is wild how much stuff seems to get added to the pile every time I take a look - there’s a 4-disc reissue of Are You Are Missing Winner?

JoeStork, Friday, 12 April 2024 15:48 (one week ago) link

One of those sets has four renditions of "Das Boot". I mean, yeah, but

Mark G, Friday, 12 April 2024 16:42 (one week ago) link

Even if there WEREN’T any outtakes from Re-Mit, they’d still have to make an outtakes ep called O-Mit

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 15 April 2024 19:42 (four days ago) link

We could use a good live album of the fall heads roll tour from before the explosion of that lineup

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 15 April 2024 19:44 (four days ago) link

that would be great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 April 2024 19:57 (four days ago) link


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