The Dance Music Nobody Talks About S & D

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people dont talk about 'crusty rave/dance' either - Eat Static, Banco De Gaia etc.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought this thread was going to be about Tommy Dorsey.

(Jess yr first reply was godlike btw, AoL fans are even harder-core than The Gathering for realz)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

7.1, particularly "Lodestar"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Been going back to those Shamen records recently. "En Tact" was such a cornerstone record for me. I can even take Mr. C in doses (pun fully intended).

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hip House: an insufficiently explored genre:

Highlights being:

We Don't Exist - The Acid Boyz
I'll House You - The Jungle Brothers
It Takes Two - Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock
Gittin' Funky - Kid n' Play
Stomp - Master Plan

I really hoped Missy Elliot's fantastic "4 My People" would kick start a HipHouse revival... but sadly no.

"Hot in Herrre" by Nelly is kinda Housey, no?

Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Triple X 'Feel The Same' - classy filter disco with a heavy pop flavour. Italian i presume?

Yes, Italian...

have not heard anything else by them alas...

AFAIK there are no other Triple X originals, but they recently did a great remix of Mundian Te Bach Ke on the Italian 12" release. And their remix of ATC My Heart Beats Like A Drum is amazing in how it transforms the cheesiest of europop into a huge filterfest. And decent remixes of Love Connection The Bomb and Alive Alive.

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I wish this thread had been about Tommy Dorsey. What presumption to make "dance music" a genre term. Kids. . .)

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Hot in Herrre" by Nelly is kinda Housey, no?

You'll have to pitch it up considerably to make it work in a house set though, it's way too slow.

Richard Norris

...is now Electroclash as The Droydz.

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex in liking Beats International shockah

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

A few more that will surely be forgotten:
The Lawyer "I Wanna Mmmm"
Touch & Go "Would You"
Da Hool "Meet Her At The Love Parade"
Dario G "Sunchyme"
Vengaboys "Up & Down"
Soup "New York - London"
The Ultimate Seduction "The Ultimate Seduction"
NUKE "Nana"
Sequential "Psychotronic" (actually, all Sequential 12"s were great, nobody seems to know them!)
Chestnut "Pot Of Gold"
Captain Hollywood Project "More And More"
Deep Zone "It's Gonna Be Alright"
Red 5 "I Love You...Stop"
Sash "Equador"
Buzzy Bus "You Don't Stop"
Soulsearcher "I Can't Get Enough"
The Porn Kings "Up To No Good"

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chicago Underground the rekkid label

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

No one talks about Vogueing.

Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

And a question for those not that close to Belgium: how successful were the archetypical New Beat chart hit factories (confetti's/neon/bizz nizz/jade 4 u/taste of sugar/plaza/erotic dissidents) in the rest of europe & world? I always had the feeling it was strictly a local thing...

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

No one talks about Vogueing.


Mercifully.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Siegbran you rule. nice one for namechecking that Deep Zone track, i'd been wondering who did that for a while now!

Touch & Go is remembered in the UK thanks to it being the theme song to the show 'As If'

Red 5, Dario G, Captain Hollywood ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

Siegbran do you remember Culture Beat's 'Adalante' - thats one i'd like to hear again

now what about U96?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ska breaks!

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Siegbran do you remember Culture Beat's 'Adalante' - thats one i'd like to hear again

Wasn't that an album track? Can't remember it as a single...

U96

"Das Boot" and "Club Bizarre" were close to classic, but the rest is terrible. "Love Religion", "I Wanna Be A Kennedy", "Love Sees No Colour", and his production work for Rollergirl...what the hell was he thinking?

And another list:

Wisdome "Off The Wall"
Plaything "Into Space"
MC Sar & The Real McCoy "It's On You"
King Bee "Back By Dope Demand"
Mr Lee "Pump That Body"
2 In A Room "Wiggle It" (actually it might be better off forgotten - the 2002 Aquagen remix was abysmal)
Mister Mixi & Skinny Scotty "I Can Handle It"
Egma "Let The Bass Kick"
Fire On High "Float In A Dream Of XTC"
Nomad "Devotion"
Sonic Surfers "Beat Of Zen"
The Farm "All Together Now"
Lonnie Gordon "Gonna Catch You"
Secchi "I Say Yeah"
2 Hyped Brothers & A Dog "Doo Doo Brown" (this is just bizarre...)

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 16 March 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

you're right about U96 Siegran, remember M.O.D.O., Magic Affair and Maxx as well? MTV in the UK used to play a LOT of the big dance/pop hits in Europe because obv. it was the pan-Euro MTV back then.

Marusha's 'Deep' and Westbam's 'Celebration generation' are classic, of course you've got the earlier Westbam tracks 'Alarm Clock' and 'The roof Is On Fire' too, but he did some terrible stuff too lets face it

Technohead 'I Wanna Be A Hippy' - still love it, and the GTO stuff is great too.


Nomad "Devotion"

stone. cold. classic. i got listening to this track again late last year and it just sounds better with age, Mikey Freedom's rap has some ironic appeal i guess ("Like Hawk The Slayer I cam and quartered, Maggie came but now she's slaughtered!").

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Technohead 'I Wanna Be A Hippy' & GTO

OK, but the Technohead tune is a bona fide classic (everybody seems to remember and love it at least), and all the Go Bang! stuff (D-Shake, Turntable Hype, Fierce Ruling Diva, GTO, Quazar, House Of Venus) is pretty canonical, no?

MTVE was the greatest, it's a crying shame it's all been localized now. You got all the German tunes (all the Detroit-Berlin-axis stuff, Fehlmann & Väth, and later all the Mayday rave/techno) as well as the music that was popular in the UK (808 State, The Orb, Orbital, LFO), with Italian, Spanish and French chart hits thrown in as well - all the tunes you never heard on the radio. The first real manifestation of that grand vision of a future unified Europe for me...history quickly crushed that dream.

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 16 March 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

hithouse - jack to the sound of the underground
collapse - my love
raul orellana - the real wild house
eric & the good good feeling - good good feeling
biz niz - don't miss the party line
d shake - yaaah!
stardust - numero uno
gino latino - welcome
samurai sam - house the japanese.

(the deep heat comps were great for this stuff)

michael wells (michael w.), Sunday, 16 March 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

take it down / take it down / take it down / mikey

I Wanna Give You Devotion!

That song rules!

Nik (Nik), Sunday, 16 March 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

re MTV Europe - i dunno, it was hit and miss really. great in the way Siegbran describes but also dud for similar reasons! ironically the unified MTV had a huge American influence and with the localisation that was reduced for a while in the UK a few years (tho its back in force now with all the terrible programming like Cribs, Dismissed, Becoming, Real World etc.) at least. what i couldn never understand about MTV Europe ten years ago was how all the programming was in Englsih but half the adverts were in German and all advertising jungle and gabba compilations - the narrator would always sound like the guy from Scooter. you'd get lots of adverts for the European Business School as well, and a lot of arty short films shown between programmes that drove you mad the 50th time you'd see them in just one week. back then MTV also played a lot more 80s stuff too (Greates Hits with Paul King etc.), now thats strictly VH-1, but even they are playing less stuff from that era it seems.

despite all this, MTV Europe was instrumentally useful for exposing dance music throughout Europe with the Partyzone, MTV Dance and so on. which just leaves the question, are Scooter better now than they were 8/9 years ago or not?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's kinda annoying now that MTV doesn't play much music anymore.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 16 March 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

i suggest a stern letter to the Broadcasting Standards Commision

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I only watched MTVE after 10pm back then, so I probably did not experience much of the bad daytime programming. But indeed, what was the deal with all those Israeli yoghurt commercials?

are Scooter better now than they were 8/9 years ago or not?

The great thing about Scooter is that they're exactly the same as 9 years ago. I still remember a 1993 review of the first single Hyper Hyper which went along the lines of "it's absolutely pants. One of those novelty acts we can be sure of that nobody will ever hear of again".

Incidentally, I saw the video for the new Scooter single Weekend a few days ago and it's beyond bizarre. A troupe of Buddhist monk slaves and bare breasted girls, discomforting "faces under skin" CGI FX, all in a fetishist Roman setting. And of course another classic line for HP Baxter: "We Are Not The Monkees! But We've Got The Key!"...

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is impossible for me to like anything by Scooter except 'Move Your Ass' it seems, partly because i have fond memories of the video for that one, lots of bizarre shit happening in it - mad scientists etc.

what was the first video you ever saw on MTVE? mine was actually u96's 'Das Boot' or maybe Adamski ft Nina Hagen's 'Get Your Body' - this was when on holiday in Mallorca in '92. we finally got satellite tv in '93 and i think the first vid i saw then was CultureBeat's 'Mr Vain' or Sven Vath's 'La Esperanza' - as you can see MTVE's influence on me is so huge that remembering shit like that comes very easy.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I believe we got MTVE on cable somewhere in 1989...I'd love to say that the first one I saw was S-Express or Inner City, but I can't remember...might've been a Bros tune.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 17 March 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I remember Confettis. Got they were totally rubbish! I can't actually think of anything worse! I have some old French "Now!" equivalent called Boulevard Des Hits lying around somewhere. Most of it is either hilarious or total shit. Cock Robin? Kassav? Zouk Machine? Hypnoteck? Liza Minelli?!!!!!! ARRGH!

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 17 March 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

This entire thread is the best dance mix ever.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 March 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Most everything Si Begg does makes me just lose my shit. I know it's dance music because I'm dancing, but though it's got moments of sick, herky-jerky techno or house parody, I know it's neither techno nor house. Some call it breaks but I say it's too organic. Wacko.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
revive:
D-Mob feat. Cathy Dennis "Come on and get my love". Big pianos, a cute little rap section, diva vocals, and a sample... "Im comin' hardcore" which may have been true at that point, but the claim now seems hilarious in retrospect (ie the breakbeat hardcore, darkcore, jungle, etc. that all came after this record).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 17 August 2003 05:44 (twenty years ago) link

aaron that is one of my favourite songs of all time ever!

minna (minna), Sunday, 17 August 2003 07:33 (twenty years ago) link

someone needs to cover 'dirty cash' STAT
-- zemko

this is an amazingly prophetic post

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 August 2003 08:17 (twenty years ago) link

Who did that cover? I'm gutted about that cos I can't play the original at parties anymore...

Also: Billie Ray Martin to thread...

Jacob (Jacob), Sunday, 17 August 2003 08:39 (twenty years ago) link

zemko, why did it need a cover? the original is amazing!

minna (minna), Sunday, 17 August 2003 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

(i haven't heard the cover)

minna (minna), Sunday, 17 August 2003 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

Billie Ray Martin seconded, 'Your Loving Arms' in particular.

Oceanic - Insanity
The Bassheads - Back To The Old School
Culture Beat - Anything
CeCe Peniston - Finally
Utah Saints - Something Good
Sub Sub feat. Melanie Williams - Ain't No Love (Ain't No Use)*
Robin S - Show Me Love

*still my favourite Doves song

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 17 August 2003 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

Also:

Farley and Heller - "Ultraflava"
Todd Terry - "Keep on jumpin"
Underground Sound of Lisbon
Junior Vasquez
DJ Pierre - "Muzik sets you free"

and on a different tip:

Ultra-sonic - "Annihilating rhythm"
DJ Technotrance - "YRS Stomp"
Neuro-Tek - "Cocaine"
Chill FM - "Strobelight"

Jacob (Jacob), Sunday, 17 August 2003 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

yes to Billie Ray Martin and Electribe 101 - 'Tell Me When The Fever Ended' etc.

and 'Ultraflava' - liked that one a lot

i've been thinking about loads of mid 90s happy handbag anthems again...

Nush 'U Girls'
Nu-Birth 'Anytime'
2 Men Will Move You 'The Goodbye Thing'
Nightcrawlers 'Push The Feelin' On' (but everyone remembers this)
Jinny 'Keep Warm'
The Swimmer 'Let It Come'
DSK 'What Would We Do' (they play it on 24HPP in the first Hacienda club scene)
E-Motion 'Naughty North, Sexy South'
Kadoc 'Night Train'
Klubbheads 'Klubbhopping'
DJ Supreme 'Wildstyle'
Technocat ft Tom Wilson 'Technocat'

and more Westbam ('Alarm Clock', 'The Roof Is On Fire', 'Celebration Generation')

and Marusha ('Deep' and 'Unique' her best tunes i think, everything else probably TOO cheesy)

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 17 August 2003 12:04 (twenty years ago) link

"U girls look so sexy"!!! Damn that list takes me back. Have to see if I've still got those silver trousers and gold hairspray...

Also: Livin Joy - "Dreamer"

Jacob (Jacob), Sunday, 17 August 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

Hed Boys 'Girls & Boys'
Tinman '18 Strings'
Clock 'Keep The Fires Burnin'
Hyper Go Go 'High'
Awesome 3 'Don't Go'
Kym Sims 'Too Blind To See It'
Sabrina Johnston 'Peace'

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 17 August 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

aaron that is one of my favourite songs of all time ever!
rawk!

this thread reminds me... can anyone remember the producer of a track from the early 90s called "take it"? It consists of a sample of those words being sung plus a little sax loop. I heard it on bassquake (RIP) a few years ago... thnks!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 17 August 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

OH MY GOD I'd completely forgotten that Kym Sims and Sabrina Johnston even existed, and I'm fucking pleased to be reminded of them.

Zoe - Sunshine On A Rainy Day
Rozalla - Everybody's Free (To Feel Good)
Crystal Waters - Gypsy Woman
Alison Limerick - Where Love Lives
Karen Ramirez - Looking For Love

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 17 August 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

And anything by the mighty 2 Unlimited, of course.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 17 August 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

dug up an old pair of tapes that contain a copy of a pop/dance comp from 98 or 99 that a friend in germany owned. most I dont like much, but i am wondering what others think of:
"I'm Lonely" Hollis P. Monroe... I always liked this one, but the impression I got from reading mixmag at the time was that it was being played out a LOT. Did this make everyone sick of it?
"Future of the Future (David Morales remix)" DD/TT... damn it is a lush, lush track, for better or worse.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 17 August 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

"Take My Advice" was the best Kym Sims single.

I picked up a 50 track megamix CD from 1991 used for next to nothing. Lots of forgotten gems:

Dr. Baker - Kaos
Petra & Co - Just Let Go
Space Trax - Atomic Playboy
The Mixmasters - In The Mix
Fire On High - Float In A Dream Of Ex-TC
Westbam - Hold Me Back
How II House - It's Time To Feel The Rhythm
B-Sides - The Tape
B-Sides - Moral Soundabuse
Lewis Lovebump - Mallorca
Digital Boys - Kokko
The Break Boys - My House Is Your House (And Your House Is Mine)
A Homeboy A Hippy & A Funky Dredd - Total Confusion
DJ Dick - Weekend
T99 - Anastasia
Dirty Mind - The Killer

And some more oldies:
Kellee - My Love ("...is the only key that can set you free")
RMB - Spring
RFTR - Extrasyn
D-Mob - Put Your Hands Together

Technocat ft Tom Wilson 'Technocat'

Recently reissued with new mixes!

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 17 August 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

Tom Wilson used to be Edinburgh's biggest local radio DJ. His show was called Tom Wilson's Bouncing Beats and he released a compilation called "Tartan Techno".

Scotland is grate.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 18 August 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

Several comps called Tom Wilson's Tartan Techno and also a companion series Tom Wilson's Bouncing Beats. I have 4 of them and love them all. I haven't read the whole thread so I can only assume JX is mentioned many times as he surely deserves.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 August 2003 07:42 (twenty years ago) link

Also: Livin Joy - "Dreamer"

i always thought this song would be perfect if covered by dag nasty (in their best period)... could work so well as a skaty hardcore tune...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:01 (twenty years ago) link

I think if it had been that good an idea Snuff would have done it by now...

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

it's never too late!

last party i did there was a bunch of 18 year olds having their 1st ever time in a club (they were infinitely more mature than i was at 18) and a guy celebrating his 70th birthday. They all got along great.

stirmonster, Friday, 18 March 2022 19:18 (two years ago) link

I was working the cloakroom tonight at an event that was about "90s techno" and the last ninety minutes played was all from the Ministry Of Sound/Kisstory axis of "trance classics." But it was all what I would consider the worst end of it - Sandstorm, Seven Days & One Week, Children. I'm unreasonably fond of the stuff that works as pop music - your Sash and Alice Deejay type of stuff - and I say "unreasonably" because I know it's beyond reasoning. I also love the tougher, more muscular stuff that goes towards hard house - Time To Burn, The Launch, Synth & Strings - it feels so much more camp in its dramatics. But ninety minutes of ~moody pads~ and protracted snare build-ups is hard going, the genre's rote moves feel emotionally austere and the grooves aren't interesting enough to be rhythmically captivating, plus all those cheap preset textures.

Basically I want the revival to be more Tony De Vit and less Paul Van Dyke.

boxedjoy, Saturday, 19 March 2022 05:20 (two years ago) link

Is this finally time for the reassessment of Richard humpty vission’s “big floor funk”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEPc6T4PiFo

xheugy eddy (D-40), Saturday, 19 March 2022 07:31 (two years ago) link

Worse still is psychology of un voyeur, das person who is aware of his highest moralism but copes with perversions in his worldview that justify morality. Bovine Marquis De Sade, a bizarre all-encompassing childish claim, possesses the qualities necessary to criticize judgment. A liberal Autonomous Dustbin. But wherever my gaze wandered I was in the same extraordinary position: apart from the two responsibilities, sometimes shrill cries of joy and many blasphemies, sometimes loud, there was no sound that one would have liked to hear. Perfect order prevails over everything that was in motion; if there were very rare clashes, a gesture by the presidents or censorship would soon lead to silence; the most appropriate activities cannot take place more calmly.
problem is, Americans didn't know how to do the MDMA all together fratboy homophobie, so they never came home hauzemuzik even though they invented it! pop music is not to overthrow Protestantism, obviously wrong. Before puberty, your civilised CV want to make feel supreme, and in that case you would NEVER copulate like innocent, brutal, and angry dog. At some point I find this negative very pathetic, completely immature!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VMSWE-gjMg

lurka henry, Saturday, 19 March 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link

Damn I was just going to say that

Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Saturday, 19 March 2022 22:48 (two years ago) link

neo-hard house
https://davequam.bandcamp.com/album/aether-binge

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 1 April 2022 18:33 (two years ago) link


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