Verve: S/D ?

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The ofer to write for Stylus still totally stands, btw.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:22 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks. I do intend to do something - the last 12 months have been a bit unexpected and difficult and I haven't had any time for *anything* much.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:36 (twenty years ago) link

No problem, Dr C. Let me know as and when. I heard rumour of a Verve greatest hits comp if you wanna dop that...

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
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jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 May 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

heh, i've been tracking down their early singles lately. i'm liking them so much it makes me want to give a northern soul another chance. at the time after storm in heaven it just pissed me off, sounded like a U2 ripoff. i have urban hymns, but only because i found it for $2.

mainly i'm listening to she's a superstar over and over.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Storm in Heaven-era Verve is, bluntly put, unfuckwithable. A perfect balance, a perfect fusion. Then...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

ned that "Hey Joey, put it all behind you" line just made me crack up something fierce

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

*bows* I just saw that again myself. Yay geek me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I love this band and nothing will ever change that. It really is all about their live shows because they were like religious experiences. I even saw their first or second show they ever did live in America it was on July 7, 1993 at the Whisky A Go Go. The most memorable show happened the next year at the Roxy Theatre on Jun 28, 1994 where the show was so loud that they blew the power out. I have seen hundreds of shows and no other band has ever done that. Richard was just saying things like if you want to see the best rock and roll band in the world right now you have to wait a bit. The power came back on finally and they blew the roof off the place, I remember even the employee’s were impressed.

They were the first show I saw in San Francisco when I moved there in July of 1995 and end up seeing them six times total. They were the highlight for Lollapalooza 1994 along with the Boo Radleys. Even if Urban Hymns isn’t as great as their past work, it still is a really good album especially on road trips.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I even saw their first or second show they ever did live in America it was on July 7, 1993 at the Whisky A Go Go. The most memorable show happened the next year at the Roxy Theatre on Jun 28, 1994 where the show was so loud that they blew the power out.

*INSANELY JEALOUS*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Catching The Butterfly.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Catching The Butterfly - one of the best things of the last 20 years or so, no?

mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 12 May 2005 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

They seem to have been pretty much forgotten these days, it seems. I still like "Gravity Grave" and "This is Music", but I don't really think about them very often.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 12 May 2005 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the all-time great jazz labels, issuing Bill Evans' Conversations With Myself, Jimmy Smith's The Cat and The Individualism Of Gil Evans among many other masterpieces.

Oh...wait a minute...you're talking about THE Verve, purveyors of 1974-style soft rock?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 May 2005 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I am re-imagining Urban Hymns for Stylus. Needless to say, "The Drugs Don't Work" and "Sonnet" can fuck off.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
a northern soul is my personal favourite, with 'history' a pick for their greatest track. the songs from this era are generally poigant and well-constructed, and ashcroft's still rife with ideas.

i do like urban hymns a lot and think it holds up as a highly consistent record that hits the spot when the mood strikes.

the debut, i never could fully embrace, though it's equipped with some pretty colourful sounds.

ashcroft solo is, of course, simply washed-up and bland, overblown and lyrically void.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I love all 3. I'm not gonna lie. But A Northern Soul does just combine the best of both albums. History is wonderful. A Storm In Heaven though is still the album i play most. I especially love playing the live bootlegs of that era.
Urban Hymns, while great, does suffer from being overplayed. Mind you I've never tired of Bittersweet Symphony like I have with The Drugs Don't Work or Sonnet. Some of those songs were written/played when they did gigs after A Northern Soul came out

T In The Park 1995 performance was MAGICAL.
The 3 times I saw them at the Barras when Urban Hymns was out were great too.

I've heard one good ashcroft solo song and that's it.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm revisiting the band just now :)

long overdue really

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Search: an MTV Europe session with just an acoustic Ashcroft and *extremely* loud feedbacking McCabe. It was great. I only saw it once. I can't even remember what tunes they played, though I'm guessing it would've been Urban Hymns-era. YouTube is no help. Anyone?

Destroy: http://www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/23405

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

the debut, i never could fully embrace


y u maek baby jesus cry.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

there's a nice bootleg of some solo sessions Mr. Ashcroft put together after A Northern Soul, but before Urban Hymns that gives you a good insight as to what his first solo album SHOULD have sounded like. Mellow ,countrified, psych-soul-searching stuff. Not as paralysingly bland as his solo records have been. The 16 track album has early version of "Drugs Don't Work" "A Song for the Lovers", not yet drenched in post-post-post production polish. I also made the six hour drive down to catch acetone/verve at the Whiskey in 1993. Hot damn that was nice.

iamthecosmos, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I've heard some of those demos. Allegedly Bernard Butler's on a few of the tracks.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Acetone and Verve, and Oasis for that matter in Glasgow in '93. Was pretty good, well at least, it was the best I saw them. I think Ailsa might've been there too.

Went to see them at Barrowlands in '92 as well, but they didn't turn up and got replaced by the bloke from Long Fin Killie's previous band, Fenn.

I don't think they were ever as good as I wanted them to be, live... But then the Cathouse in Glasgow is a shithole, so is the Venue in Edinburgh, Glastonbury '95 was just too hot etc. Never mind, eh.

Keith, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Was that the old cathouse? I was only there once. Saw The Young Gods.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oswald St... It's on Renfield St now is it, I think?

Keith, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, didn't realise I'd written about this two years ago:

I did see them a lot round that time and it was always disappointing to be honest, in part because you were hoping for something like Ned describes above; the reality of standing in a puddle of beer in a goth club in Glasgow does little to help.

Keith, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Urban Hymns isn't so much overplayed as overlong and overcooked. It was a bit of a revelation to hear "I Got A Thing, You Got A Thing, Everybody's Got A Thing" by Funkadelic for the first time a couple of years ago and realise just HOW derivitive The Verve could be though - "Rolling People" might as well be a cover! Adds a huge amount of truth to that quote (who said it?) "the good bits aren't original and the original bits aren't good".

The later ballads bore me; they're too grandiose and flat. If I listen to them it's for the guitar, and the guitar is best when it's searing, distorted, strange, engulfing, and it's very rarely those things on the last album ("Catching The bUtterfly" notable exception). "Let The Damage Begin" might be my favourite song by them; nasty, horny, violent, noisy. My mate Oli, fond of lots of German industrial, was gobsmacked when I played it him, as his exposure to them ahd been only the hits, and he had no idea of their actually really quite good and occasionally extreme past.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 13 April 2007 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link

confusing band, the verve. I 97% despise them, but the remaining percentage is intense love.

saw the-less verve in around 1992, maybe? supporting the black crowes in sheffield. at the time, they seemed like the worst band ever.

many years later, 'urban hymns' came out and seriously reinforced that notion.

yet I've since obtained a live version of 'gravity grave' that's just absolutely stunning. there my verve love begins and ends.

ashcroft's first solo single (I forget what it was called) was not exactly great, but was astonishing in its audacious ripoffness of 'alone again or'. the rest were just dour, sombre, over-serious nonsense.

m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought this thread was going to be about the Verve label. How disappointing.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought this revive was going to be about the band :(

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wait, people were actually talking about them

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:58 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

guess what? they're back.

http://www.theverve.tv/

StanM, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link

*smacks forehead*

I got a REAL bad feeling.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 12:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Likewise.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link

More smooth MOR like Ashcroft's solo stuff, methinks. Least necessary reunion since the last unnecessary reunion.

Neil S, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahah, all too true.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

i pretty much HATE Richard's solo stuff, especially as time went on.

hope that they feel the groove again because they are one hell of a live band.

*crosses finger* for good luck on this.

first Blur, now Verve...who is next?

Bee OK, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Someone PLEASE book them on one of those Don't Look Back shows where they have to play all of A Storm In Heaven

I'm kinda shocked that McCabe is part of this.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Someone PLEASE book them on one of those Don't Look Back shows where they have to play all of A Storm In Heaven

And all of the early EPs, and the B-sides.

*pause*

Who are we kidding? At most they'll say, "This is an older song you might know" and only do "Slide Away."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Like they'd even do that. The "older song you might now" MIGHT be History, if you're lucky, This Is Music if you're REALLY lucky. This will be an Urban Hymns set. If McCabe's involved it's cos interest rates have rised and he's pushed on his mortgage.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

At least it's a new album and they're not just doing a greatest hits cash-in tour.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

is McCabe's participation really that big a surprise? I mean, what else does he have to do?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

A friend suggested McCabe both 'resents and requires a steady routine,' and so the band format, though it irritates him, might irritate him less now than not having it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link

If McCabe's involved it's cos interest rates have rised and he's pushed on his mortgage.

Or else Ashcroft knows that there's no way this will have any cred unless McCabe is on board from the beginning. Ashcroft probably realizes that he has to play nice and make this work or else he's opening up for puppet shows for now on.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

months-old xpost to Keith - the old Cathouse was on Brown Street, the new one is on Union Street. And yes, I was at that Oasis/Acetone/Verve show.

Someone PLEASE book them on one of those Don't Look Back shows where they have to play all of A Storm In Heaven

Aye, that'd be brilliant. I'd be up for that. I have some reservations about the quality of material stemming from a reunion, but stranger things have happened.

ailsa, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I have some reservations about the quality of material stemming from a reunion, but stranger things have happened.

I suppose I'm just gun shy after the relative non-event of the House Of Love reunion with Terry Bickers - of course now they're doing one of those Don't Look Back shows.

I suppose the real questions here is whether or not Ashcroft has expunged all the ham and oatmeal out of his system and whether McCabe is interested enough to really cut loose.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Probably not.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link

(I'm blaming my "stranger things have happened" quote on the strength of, um, Take That, so don't be expecting miracles)

I'm not sure Ashcroft and McCabe have anything to lose, and there's hardly been a stack of people begging for their triumphant return or anything. Mind you, people bought into the Embrace revival, so, yeah, I have no point.

ailsa, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Embrace never split-up or hated each other or anything though; it's just that no one cared for a couple of years.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link

"No Come Down" (their B-side comp) and the original EP are the only things i still listen to.

christoff, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

“weeping willlow” ffs

brimstead, Friday, 22 December 2023 01:25 (four months ago) link

Fourth is an album where you can easily tell when Rich and Nick are and aren't getting on. But when they are its sometimes top drawer Verve for me, esp. "Sit and Wonder".

Actually the writing credits for the first three songs in order are The Verve, The Verve/Ashcroft and Ashcroft. And it is easy to tell.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 December 2023 02:10 (four months ago) link

ANS was my first Verve and I love it. The guitar textures are scrumptious. I like it as much as ASIH.

Cow_Art, Friday, 22 December 2023 03:07 (four months ago) link

forth is great, worth checking out the numerous outtakes too, as is verve tradition

ivy., Friday, 22 December 2023 05:37 (four months ago) link

Forth really is great. Also Nick said it was the most enjoyable experience they had making an album.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Friday, 22 December 2023 21:01 (four months ago) link

cool, I will definitely dig into it

brimstead, Friday, 22 December 2023 21:08 (four months ago) link


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