Lukas Moodysson

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I'm sure Sight & Sound proposed some kind of genre/collective like "The New Misanthropes" or something.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's a genre, which probably crystallized around 1998 as Neil LaBute and Todd Solondz's careers began to take off.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

sight and sound would do that [/crank]

amateur!!st, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

'Together' is out on a cheap ($14-15) DVD from one of the big companies.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

worst genre ever, obviously

Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Milo - I need to get that pronto...

Now, from what I hear, the surgery scene pales in comparison to the guy-actually-vomiting-in-a-woman's-mouth scene... (I'm sorry I had to type that, but I am just reporting what I have heard)...

Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll go and see it because I've been utterly thrilled by everything he's done so far - Lilja included. I'm wary, but it's Lukas and I kind of trust him to do the right thing. I'll be terribly disappointed if it turns out to be shock for shocks sake, I don't want another Casper Noe number.

Tag (Tag), Monday, 27 September 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I just had my friend put Show Me Love/Fucking Amal/whatever on her Netflix queue for me. Yay.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(I think this whole Maya K3y3s fiasco has put me in the mood for teenage lesbians.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I watched Spanking the Monkey this weekend too. It's been a veritable disturbathon!

Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Show Me Love was a little lighter than I'd been expecting but still really nice and well-done.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"lighter" = "slighter"?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd assumed that Fucking Amal must be the better title, and it just had to be censored for the US/UK -- but really, it's not a very good title. The film's not really about the town.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

it's odd that whereas Lilja 4-Ever was about brutal sexual degradation, in this new film he seems to have become a practitioner of it. Oh dear.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. One thing I really liked about Lilja, in contrast to other brutal films about female victimization (e.g. Von Trier) is how it never seemed exploitative.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Lilja vs. Lilya? Is this a UK vs. US difference in translation?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

The IMDB knows no Lilya 4-Ever, and it's usually quite good on alternate titles.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

oh no wait, I am on crack. pretent my last post never happenned.

sure is good crack, though.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm... some places it was Lilya, others Lilja. Seems like such a small detail -- could something like this possibly affect the box office??

http://www.cinemaniacs.be/images/lilya.jpg http://www.vujer.com/material/filmer/lilja_4ever.jpg

Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, did anyone notice that the girl at the end of "The Bourne Supremacy" was the young woman who played Lilja? I was glad to see her getting work.

Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

could something like this possibly affect the box office??

I know, it's weird. Maybe they just shuddered at the thought of English speakers pronouncing the J as hard.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

NB: Lilya 4-Ever is on BBC Four this Saturday.

Richard C (avoid80), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, I wish I lived in the UK sometimes just cuz of all the classic films they show on TV there.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

it was "lilya" in france

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I finally saw Show Me Love/Fucking Amal on BBC4. I liked it even more than Together. It was a bit of a cop out making the nerdy girl so pretty, but still. It made me want to write teenage dramas. I loved the little speech from her dad about how in 25 years things will look different.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Her dad was so cute.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Show Me Love was great and horrible in turns. kids are so mean.

bbc4 announcers have been pronouncing it 'Moddy-son' rather than 'Moody-son' which kinda spoils things. i'll ask our swedish PA if she's not off ill again.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I just watched Show Me Love again - a great film.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Fucking Åmål is definitely his best film. Lilya 4-Ever was a big disappointment to me, it was over-melodramatic and one-sided.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, it didn't present the Pro-underage-sexual-exploitation argument at all.
Just kidding, Tuomas - I agree. And that last shot/sequence really killed it for me...

Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually admired it for being a movie about exploitation but resisting become exploitative itself, which I think is far too common.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

By one-sidedness I meant that it didn't try to illuminate things in any way. Why did Lilya's mother leave her? Why did her "boyfriend" sell her to Sweden? They were persons too, not just monsters. I felt the movie was kinda like a big long cry, and quite an efficient one it was, but it didn't feel like Moodysson was really trying to probe into his subject.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure it is important to point out that people suffer, but one should also try to think *why* they suffer and what could be done about it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Suffering rockist.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

They were persons too, not just monsters

I see your point, but it wasn't their story. Some films present a narrative from numerous perspectives, some just focus on one character's subjective experience, and "Lilja 4-Ever" chose the latter path.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

acutally - take the boyfriend (no please, take him), in what sense is he not a monster? I mean, he does sell Lilja into rape-slavery... no end of relational morality gets you out of that one.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Alba, you SHOULD write a teenage drama.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, I think.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Together is on BBC4 on Friday night.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, I think.

I wasn't being sarcastic!

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I know, I think.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Finished watching Together this morning. did it qualify as Comedy just because there were no suicides?

(the one thing i did laugh at was the kid called Tet, just because of his name. not that i didn't enjoy the film.)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not a comedy, but it has funny bits.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

It's kind of the opposite of Dante's Inferno.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Oh my...

Well, a charcter has had a labial trim, so the film shows closeups of that and other disgusting surgical procedures at random points throughout the film. Don't repeat my mistake and buy popcorn.

Yes, well, so my story...chose to go see this at the Prince Chaz with my friends instead of getting into to the bowels of MPC (which I sorta wanted to do) to see a free test screening of The Descent (which I couldn't have cared less about). But as Moodysson got a good reception when we showed Together at the school, I figured it was worth a try. Didn't know anything about A Hole in My Heart really before going in.

So before all this, we're out doing some miscellaneous Super 8 shooting, and I'd been digging on going to this Eritrean place that I saw a review for this week. So we go out there and order this meal for two that is huge, but great. Needless to say, I'm fairly full for a bit - a lot of air from the bubbly bread...

Anyway, we go into town and along the way, my bud briefly mentions that Moodysson's films have been getting progressively darker, and that this should be fairly gritty and intense. But I've seen a shitload of films, many gritty and intense, so whatever. He gets some Haagen Daz from the shop around the corner from the theater, and we go in. We end up getting comp'ed bc a schoolmate is working there, which is nice. But when he hears that we want to see the film, he's like, "really? Are you sure you know what you're getting into?" Yeah, whatever, let us in. I figure the least I can do for the freebie is patronize the concessions, so I order a medium sweet popcorn and a small Coke.

BIG MISTAKE.

I really was fine with the shock tactics for the most part; I enjoyed the experimentalism of it, and I think I could see what was going on and clearly there was a point. I even jumped in my seat at several points, which I rarely have occasion to do even once within a film. But as it worked its way towards the ninth circle. Yes, having anything to eat was a big mistake. You could sorta tell what was coming along, so when the moment occurred, I did something I've never once had to do before in a film - I actually looked away. I'm fairly emetophobic, so I didn't want to take a chance of going over the edge - esp. what with all I had eaten. Anyway, I looked back a bit too soon and caught a good amount of the tail end of things. Luckily I made it through fine, but at that point, I think I just disconnected with the film.

I can see the merits of it, and just because something (finally) offended and shocked me utterly doesn't mean that I'm going to dismiss it outright, but I think it's going to be difficult for me to have anything positive to say in detail.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

great story. I can't believe my warning was actually applicable (if unfollowed).

Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 14 April 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm excited to see it, Girolamo! I guess I'm a glutton for punishment.

Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 14 April 2005 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, nor would I try to stop the curious, however. Go ahead and see it if you want, just go in knowing what you're in for. That's all.

Honestly, maybe I would have been less overwhelmed if I had had spoilers. Which would have been a good thing.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 14 April 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i just watched 'together' & liked it a lot. reminded me of fanny and alexander a bit

mammoth looks fucking great:

johnny crunch, Sunday, 8 February 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

my variety twitter feed just now popped up with a notification that mammoth has been reviewed. weird.

Gukbe, Sunday, 8 February 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry for bad typos.

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link

xpost

i won't read that; reading brody seems about as useful (and good for my blood pressure) as reading armond white at this point.

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link

i keep thinking that if i ever met brody i'd have to fight the urge to pull on his beard. i wonder if after he sees a movie it's filled with popcorn and spittle.

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link

seven years pass...

Woah..

***NEW TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT***
Coming to Blu-ray in January from Arrow Video

The Lukas Moodysson Collection

•FUCKING ÅMÅL-2K resto
•TOGETHER-4K resto
LILYA 4-EVER
•A HOLE IN MY HEART / CONTAINER
•MAMMOTH
•WE ARE THE BEST!#FilmTwitter #Bluray #ArrowVideo #Cinema #Film pic.twitter.com/4SjXNlU1Ut

— Dawn of The Discs (@dawnofthediscs) October 27, 2022

piscesx, Friday, 28 October 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

wow there is a sequel to Together set in 1999, playing at TIFF: https://tiff.net/events/together-99

I haven't kept up with Moodysson, but I loved the original Together

jaymc, Saturday, 9 September 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link

Yeah it was good

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 September 2023 14:39 (eight months ago) link


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