― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
"I refuse to dispense a drug with a significant mechanism to stop human life," says Karen Brauer, president of the 1,500-member Pharmacists for Life International.
DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING YOU DISPENSE CAN KILL PEOPLE.
― kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
I haven't had a prescription in nearly ten years or else I'd be right there with you.
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne Ć’ury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.cjr.org/issues/2004/6/mooney-science.asp
― TOMBOT, Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Personally, if this was going on anywhere around me, I'd just lob a brick or two through their windows in the middle of the night.
― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Well fuck this, if there is such a thing as the "Pharmacists for Life International" then this gives us a list of what pharmacies are involved in this ugly practice.
So people should serve it right back up to them. Don't just boycott them - picket them, harrass them, make their lives hell and put them out of business! I almost wish I lived in the US because if I did, I would seriously start organising such a thing.
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
I would have thought in the greater scheme of things that doctor's orders trumped pharmacist's wishes. If one was in a one-drugstore town with a zealot in charge and one could experience delays in treatment due to that person's obstruction, there are legal remedies there.
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link
I too would have thought there was some law around scrips that mean if a doctor's issued one, it must be filled, stuff wank what the chemist thinks. I guess not though. I sincerely hope it never comes to that here - but if it does I'll be first in line to organise protests against it. As someone who's had to be on the pill for medical rather than birth control reasons myself, this issue is very important to me.
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― mouse (mouse), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Tho I've a sinking feeling that perhaps in some small or very close knit religious townships maybe it'd have the opposite effect :/ Also if it was the only one in town as someone said above... god how horrible. Aie, this whole thing upsets me.
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― mouse (mouse), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― mouse (mouse), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link
This could be a very serious problem when it comes to Plan B emergency contraception, which has a limited window of opportunity. Online and mail-order pharmacies are not much help when you need a prescription filled right away.
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Friday, 12 November 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Women can all possibly agree on this statement: Until *I* decide I want to be a mother, THAT'S NOT A BABY.
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link
You will notice in the US that those who are making laws against abortion are generally MEN behaving in a paternalistic manner WRT women's reproductive rights and it is touched by their fear of female sexuality generally. I have, in professional and activist situations both, met many anti-abortion advocates who are doing so on life/religious grounds. They are almost always middle-aged men and shall we say their approach to debate suggests that they believe that women are not equal under the law to them and have to be somehow managed or controlled BY THEM PERSONALLY if sexually active. I think this attitude is both prurient and furtive and can be combatted by certain types of wake-up calls.
Women should start from the argument position of 'this is my decision, not yours, and furthermore I am in no way sorry that you have no role to play in this decision-making process which is mine, not yours.'
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, it's the lower class, without access to computers and/or credit cards that will suffer.... again.
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suzy, while I agree with your overall point of view, I don't think you're 10% correct. I live by a clinic that performs abortions. Most of the picketers (every Saturday) are women and, sickeningly, children.
Also, I think Andrew's remark was that millions of women disagree with when to call a baby a baby. He was responding to the idea that you can't call it a baby until the mother calls it one. When a teenage girl throws a baby into a dumpster, I doubt she thinks of it as a baby.
Again, I think we're all basically on the same side here ..
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link
Women and children making scenes at clinics is somewhat lower on the scale of importance than dealing with who's indoctrinating them in the first place or manipulating them for political gain: neo-conservative men.
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link
You do seem intent on positioning this as a straight battle of the sexes, and while that's mostly true, and matches your experiences, you have to remember that people are fucking crazy, and cannot be relied on to act in their own interest. It's not just men with their foot on the neck of Womankind, many women are happy to perform the contortions that allow them to put their own foot there.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Women are protected from this sort of thing by Roe v. Wade ultimately. Their constitutional right to terminate pregnancies is enshrined in it as-is. Women have to say 'these are my rights' as opposed to 'I'm sorry, but' followed by whatever, because that is the beginning of the dimunition of their rights. No negotiation, no 'compromise'. We need Pink Panthers or something. Also, the Constitution is about permission, not prohibition. That's why the booze ban did not work.
It is not a battle of the sexes. The men that pursue these forms of legislation are in the minority of men overall; the women who support them are in the minority overall.
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave q (listerine), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, Planned Parenthoods generally have limited pharmacies located within them as well...again this doesn't really HELP women who are in areas with only a small number of pharmacies to choose from, where a Planned Parenthood might be hours away.
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 12 November 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 12 November 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 November 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link