Do you wish Noam Chomsky had a blog?

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I met him a couple of years ago and saw him speak. He's great to talk to in a small seminar setting. Irony? No.

Maria D., Friday, 26 March 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

i am pretty sure i saw him at the local g8th cluba few years back. good times

kephm, Friday, 26 March 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

What I meant was : The Nation is obviously a club for Ivy Leaguers. How can you claim to be about change when it's the same old back-slapping cronyist bullshit? People who don't come from those backgrounds (the vast majority of people) shouldn't have to listen to people who take their opportunity to be heard for granted.

At least Chomsky gets his stuff out in all sorts of media outside of the 'proper' Ivy League 'leftist' channels. Z, for example, is a grassroots-oriented magazine that talks about stuff that is going on in people's communities.

As for Ehrenreich, I used to like her work, but I feel alienated by Nickel and Dimed. "OMG, the working poor sometimes have to eat dog food!!! Can you believe it?" Sorry - my mom was a Sears cashier, and I knew a number of people who worked retail when I was growing up. Obviously my family and people from my community are not part of the intended audience for that book.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

I forgot to add that some people are (rightly) suggesting that her book be re-titled Poor Like Me.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i think alterman, the time i've seen him and met him at public events, is just shy. i've seen him eating out with his pals and he seems just a normal guy. ms ehrenreich is super nice.

what nation writers are you talking about? katha pollit seems really bothersome, at least her column does.

chomsky, well, i disagree with him more than half the time but he is an important gateway for a lot of people (i had my howard zinn/noam chomsky phase). and in fairness he can't really be blamed for the cult of personality that surrounds him, although perhaps he could make sure people don't publish books of interview transcripts anymore, that gets annoying.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 26 March 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

your family probably isn't part of the intended audience, but is that so bad? there are books for whom the upper middle classes aren't the intended audience.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 26 March 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

i find Z really shrill and, maybe i'm being too particular here, but often poorly written, always poorly copywritten, and typically very very poorly designed, hence kind of a chore to read

on the other hand their more modest articles, on local union struggles and events in countries that the mainstream media has momentarily forgotten (until the next coup or massacre) is very welcome

but the british press does a better job of that kind of stuff without seeming as shrill or indifferent to good english.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 26 March 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

your family probably isn't part of the intended audience, but is that so bad? there are books for whom the upper middle classes aren't the intended audience.

The whole project presumes that the reader has no familiarity with the subject matter. I'm tired of people recommending the book to me as if it has things in it I don't already know.

There are plenty of first-person narratives out there about living in poverty or near poverty. Believe it or not, some children of poor and working-class people do get an education and go on to write fiction and memoirs and such. Some people who work at Wal-Mart can even read and write rather well!

It's alienating and [rest of grrrrrrr mercifully deleted].

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 26 March 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

You mean, people like Ehrenreich?

I don't get the point of your ire, other than "I already knew that!" - well, yeah, so did I, so did a lot of people.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 26 March 2004 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

The several-times-quoted remark about serious activists and elections is OTM, as far as I can see. Elections are about where the center is today. Activism is about taking actions today that will push, pull, guide or lead the center to a new position.

The best an election result can do is ameliorate the worst of the current problems. Trading President Bush in for a President Kerry would be a small shift in the correct direction. Being small doesn't make it worthless. But if you let the election dominate your thinking and actions, you'll succumb to short term thinking and daily tactics without a strategy.

By all means, vote. It takes almost no effort. And work for any candidate you think will represent you well. But, if you want to see change at the root, you'll have to take a much longer view and plan accordingly.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 26 March 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Kerry. I have the same problem with Nickel and Dimed- I totally don't want to know what the stage version is like

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

haha "small"

jesus i'm so sick of this line of argument

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 27 March 2004 11:18 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, amatuer!st, small.

Kerry can't (and won't) do squat to change the overall dynamic in DC. The Pentagon budget will still be crammed with $100,000,000,000 of waste, while the country will still be vulnerable to terrorists. The USA will still plant its flag in military bases all over the world. The oil, insurance, banking, pharmaceutical, and chemical industries will still make their own rules for Congress to rubber stamp. The tax structure will remain regressive. The federal deficit, SS bancruptcy, and underfunded private pension system will stay right on course to make the biggest economic train wreck the USA has ever seen.

So, yes, small. Whether you are sick of the argument or not.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 27 March 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

Happy Birthday, Son!

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link

90!

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link


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