Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Classic or Dud [spoilers]

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Yeah but the unspoken--or maybe spoken I dunno--feeling behind that is one of fear of poor people (as opposed to fear of poverty). Not that he is blind to hypocrisy and mendacity among the rich but those characters tend to be redeemable whereas.... There is something naturally perverse and degenerate about poor people, he almost seems to be suggesting that they are conduit for evil passing into the world. (Hence all the drug-smuggling as metaphor and otherwise in Twin Peaks.)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

I don't like it as much as any of the series, but i still like it a lot.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 May 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

I have now slept through it, twice. Though I stayed awake for the series (and when is the rest of the series coming out on DVD? These VHS tapes are killing me!).

So, um, maybe classic, maybe dud.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 17 May 2003 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

Whoah. How on earth did you sleep through the finale?

This reminds me of an afternoon when I dozed off while listening to It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back. In my half-sleeping delerium I remember thinking to myself, "What a lovely, sweet record...."

amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 17 May 2003 02:35 (twenty years ago) link

Search the Fantomas cover of the theme song, btw.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 17 May 2003 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

The Wedding Present version is pretty good too.

amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 17 May 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

Sadly (or luckily) I can sleep through most anything, Amateurust. I don't even want to start listing the movies I've only seen in parts as a result of this ability/curse. (Basically, unless I am doing something interactive, like reading or drawing or cooking, while movie watching, I tend to tune out and fall asleep. This is not as true for theaters, though - but I have to admit that I fell asleep in both The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers [but having seen each of them several times I think I have actually seen the whole of each movie, just not in order.] Oh, and I watched the second half of Dr. Zhivago but no the first, so I was pretty lost. And I've never made it through Citizen Cain or Gone with the Wind - and today I slept through most of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.)

Anyway, yeah, the boys told me that the end of Fire Walk with Me was fairly, um, dramatic. But I was snoring off in my own world (much like I did through Akira and some other movie last weekend. And, likely, much as I will do this weekend, while watching the original "Bedazzled" and um, whatever that new anime is that everyone is raving about).

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 17 May 2003 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

first 20 minutes are priceless.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Saturday, 17 May 2003 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

AKIIIIIIIIIIIRAAAAA. TETSUOOOOOOOOO.

Just watched it, did little for me except creep me out in an uninteresting way. I'm also fresh from watching the TV series for the first time, and through it all I always felt that the brunt of its appeal was in Coop, and that in the end it was his story, not Laura's. So what scenes that had him in it are classic, everything else I didn't care for.

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Robert Bauer
....
Johnny Horne (scenes deleted)

Joan Chen
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Jocelyn "Josie" Packard (scenes deleted)

Jan D'Arcy
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Sylvia Horne (scenes deleted)

Don S. Davis
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Maj. Garland Briggs (scenes deleted)

Mary Jo Deschanel
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Eileen Hayward (scenes deleted)

Warren Frost
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Doc Hayward (scenes deleted)

Harry Goaz
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Deputy Andy Brennan (scenes deleted)

Michael Horse
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Deputy Hawk (scenes deleted)

David Patrick Kelly
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Jerry Horne (scenes deleted)

Everett McGill
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Big Ed Hurley (scenes deleted)

Jack Nance
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Pete Martell (scenes deleted)

Michael Ontkean
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Sheriff Harry S. Truman (scenes deleted)

Kimmy Robertson
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Lucy Moran (scenes deleted)

Wendy Robie
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Nadine Hurley (scenes deleted)

Charlotte Stewart
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Betty Briggs (scenes deleted)

Russ Tamblyn
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Dr. Lawrence Jacoby (scenes deleted)

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Where did all these scenes go? I like Harry Truman.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a theory abt this film which i shall share with you all tomorrow

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

:(

Don't make us wait!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't even know what your theory is.

dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

It didn't have Sherilyn Fenn in it, which made me sad. But other than that it is fantastic.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Madchen Amick.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

??? I'm not too keen on Madchen Amick (trying to figure out if you are correcting me or something?)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Just stating an opinion.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh ok.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't like how it had swears in it.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the only reason I like it!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Same for Goodfellas, as well.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I even thought it was classic when I saw it before I saw the series.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that's key -- the series engaged in a lot of tv conventions, which appealed to me. The movie went ahead with movie conventions, leading to the stark division b/w the two.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

huh?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

(p.s. just wanted to remind everyone that this film HAS A NIGHTCLUB SCENE WITH SUBTITLES FOR ENGLISH DIALOGUE.)

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Love that scene. Love that music.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

lee, i'm wondering what you mean by "movie conventions" cos whatever this film is (and i'm not really sure), it's not particularly conventional. or so it seems to me.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Movie conventions = sexing and swearing.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Leee, those things were around before movies!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Here is where the deleted scenes are (or, are not):

PRESS RELEASE

TWIN PEAKS, FIRE WALK WITH ME
ON DVD DECEMBER 8TH MK2 EDITIONS

Since May 2002, fans from all over the world have been asking us to edit the original cut scenes from “Twin Peaks – Fire Walk With Me.”

As early as 2002, New Line, the American editor of the DVD, had tried to include these cut excerpts into its edition, but had been forced to give up for financial reasons.

We have tried several times to contact David Lynch and his associates to find a technical and financial solution to the problem.

We had thus stopped exporting the film worldwide in 2002 and 2003, and had delayed the French editing of the DVD.

Despite a few sporadic contacts, mail without answers and missing appointment on David Lynch’s side has made us take the decision not to deprive the French audience anymore from this major film that is also an important work in David Lynch’s filmography.

The DVD, to be released on December 8th 2004 in France, will thus be edited with as much care as any of the other MK2 products, but these cut scenes will unfortunately be missing.

We still hope – as all David Lynch fans worldwide do – to have these cut scenes included in a future version of the DVD, but this responsibility and willingness has to be shared by David Lynch himself.

MK2 Editions

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(dated five days ago, btw)

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Not on TV though!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And goddammit, when oh when is the rest of the series gonna be out on DVD?

(FWMM = classic btw. Scary, funny and very moving all at the same time; I blub like a baby at the end, every time.)

Mog, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

wasn't there something like 2 hours worth of david bowie and david edited it to the 30 secs we saw?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

backward bend threads my sometimes

Queen G is not what he screams, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

where the hell is the season two DVD??

kephm (kephm), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

it's scheduled for Europe/Japan in Q2 of 2005. Adam has a dodgy bootleg of it that I don't trust.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i wrote a paper on fwwm in college, comparing it with iphigenia at aulis and the bluest eye. i'd like to see the film again, but i don't think i want to go back and read my essay.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Trust my bootleg. I wrote a paper on Dogme 95 that scarred me for life.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what is "iphigenia at aulis" lauren?

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, it is not a bootleg, it is an official Spain-only release boxset of both series' and the pilot. No extras and the transfer varies wildly.

yes lauren, what is "iphigenia at aulis"?

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

google tells me it's a play by euripides. lauren's all smart and shit.

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Very good play at that. Would like to see a good production of it one of these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "Iphigenia At Aulis" is the one where Agammemnon sacrifices his daughter Iphigenia to Poseidon to get favorable winds in order to set sail for Troy.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Lauren IS smart!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

so

agamemnon = leland
iphigenia = laura
poseidon = BOB

???

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost

i never doubted it adam!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

No, i know. I was acting as a chorus!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The gods appear in many forms,
carrying with them unwelcome things.
What people thought would happen never did.
What they did not expect, the gods made happen.
That's what this story has revealed.

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

It's pretty scary! And in really visceral and upsetting ways. My kids like horror movies and have seen Halloween, Friday the 13th, The Thing, Scream. But none of those feel like FWWM, the conventions of the genres and the stories give more distance. FWWM forces you to feel Laura's desperation and horror, it doesn't give you much distance.

A dad rapes and kills his daughter, the main character of the show/movie--it's definitely the darkest thing he's done. Cow OTM about the evil being "real" in a way that Inland Empire or even Mulholland Drive isn't.

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 March 2021 05:31 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Watching this for the first time since seeing The Return three times, which kinda reset my brain on how to understand time and suchlike. Harry Dean Stanton is surely a different character? They both run (different) trailer parks but are very different in personality. Dammit I had other more important thoughts I forget, something about seperating the young Lynch kid (Tremond? grandchild or something) from the Jumping Man, but what I've mainly learnt these years is to not concentrate on any sort of plot, it's all thematically and visually connected, I suppose that big spurious blog you were all praising might agree but fuck all nonsense except Lynch nonsense. If he draws 6 from his jar tomorrow I think the universe will have aligned

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I'd never heard this song til the other day and didn't know that what I thought of as just an oddball Twin Peaks line — immortalized by Laura's "gobble gobble" — was a reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2yd3DRhAI0

Which in turn comes from this: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5758/


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