Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

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apparently there was two hours worth of film with david bowie in there but Lynch cut it down to 30 seconds after deciding that he couldn't act! well, that's what i heard anyway.

I'll try and chase the second season.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, there's a short scene with Bowie's character in Rio de Janeiro (explaining the "I was in Rio" line) and the scene in the FBI offices is a bit longer. I think that's it. I doubt Lynch decided Bowie "couldn't act" since he is at the very least a strong presence in front of the camera and the role doesn't ask for too much--and after all Lynch has cast far less qualified people in major roles and used them effectively (viz. BOB and Laura).

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Twin Peaks - still one of my favourite shows ever. I lived for every Tuesday night at 9p.m. on BBC2 and remained hopelessly devoted even the identity of Laura Palmer's killer was revealed and my peers had given up on it. Delightfully quirky and every so often absolutely terrifying.

Classic. Classic. Classic.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another TP story, I broke my toe because I was running upstairs (our TV was in the basement) to get a soda, trying to make it there and back before the second episode started. On the way back down I tripped and--ouch!--crunch--broke my big toe. So I had to go to the hospital and didn't see the crucial second episode (the one with the dream sequence) until months later.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

favorite TP character(s):

the seldom seen Hayward sisters Harriet (twee and so hilarious - 2 scenes) and her piano playing sister Gersten (awesome boogie woogie retainer speech affect - sadly one scene).

gygax!, Monday, 13 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of the Hayward sisters was played by two or three actresses (the "Donna effect")-- one of whom was Alicia Witt and she played her own boogie woogie piano. One of the mysteries of Twin Peaks is how we could have spent so much time in Donna's house but see her sisters maybe two or three times in the course of both seasons.

Another continuity error that sticks in my craw was how in the last episode, Norma and Ed repair to her home to look after Nadine (thwacked by a sandbag during the Miss Twin Peaks contest), but make no mention of Norma's sister Annie who has been kidnapped by Wyndam Earle. My guess is that David Lynch (who wrote/directed the final episode) was not too fond of the plot contrivance that was Annie and just acted as though she were marginal to the story.

I haven't even watched this series for years, but such was my devotion to it that I remember such minutae even now. Embarrassing, isn't it?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it's Ed's home to which they repair, my mistake.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah Nitsuh - thankyou for mentioning On The Air - this was b/cast in UK on a late-night BBC2 slot sometime during 1st half of the 90's I think. I'd forgotten it's name, and I've never met anyone else who watched/remembers/heardof it.
I think the *first* episode of it contained an extended disintegration-into-disaster slapstick sequence which was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen (IIRC climaxing with the Elegant English Gent being slowly lowered headfirst into a bucket of dogfood he's trying to advertise - complete with a wonderful cartoon 'squelch' sound) I stayed with it for the rest of its series but it never attained that ridiculous level again, although I did continue to like it....

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

What do you mean there's no ending. Seemed like the perfect ending to me at least, Even Agent Cooper cannot defeat Bob = there will never be an end.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, the ending is perfect and very daring. Also daring of Lynch to allude to it in the film without resolving anything.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you can find On the Air on video (it's hard enough to find in the US, and I have no idea if it was released in the format used in the UK), some of the unaired episodes are just as bizarre as the first one. I liked it a lot more when I watched the series all at once, instead of catching it week to week (that might've been true of TP, too, if I'd caught it on broadcast instead of video).

Twin Peaks: mostly Classic. Faltered a lot in the middle, and then got canned just as things were really picking up at the end. Lynch had pretty much left the other writers to do as they please, if I remember right, only to come in and ditch their plans for the last episode, leaving us with ... well, that.

I spent a month in college doing nothing but watching David Lynch stuff, for a paper. I can never watch Eraserhead again.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

the episodes may falter in the middle,but there are so many cool little bits-cooper having breakfast in the great northern while an unexplained barbershop quartet plays in the background,or the scene in the lobby of the hotel where there are loads of scouts just standing there bouncing balls up and down for no reason...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

not nearly enuff cooper in 'fire walk...'
better musiq than the series, pretty terrifying.
'she's my mother's sister's girl...' etc.
brrrr.
series however - best show of the decade.
the owls, are not what they seem.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Amateurist, are you saying you broke two toes in the one chaotic rush?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't seen this series since it was on the air, I keep thinking I should shell out for the dvd but they are so very expensive.

It's hard to believe this was ever a network television show, I can't imagine any of the networks airing something like this now (I think the failure of Mulholland Drive as a series confirms this).

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have bit of it on tape, mostly not so classic but I DO have the final which seemed pretty crushing and evil at the time. CLASSIC. Maybe doesn't do everything you'd want from a DL TV show, but doesn't it do far more than you'd usually expect from TV?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

First season - classic
After that - much more of a dud, though with classic moments.

I always felt like Lynch just ran out of ideas or something.

We own the DVDs for the first episodes - they're great and the "extras" aren't bad, either. Purchased the vidoes from Amazon - quality so horrid that toward the end we could not hear the dialogue. But the creepy music came through.

I liked that I kept being thrown for a loop with the plot lines. I hate it when things are predicatable. (And, well, I thought that the sheriff was a hottie - but I found Audrey more enticing. Never understood how Cooper restrained from kidnapping her and showing her the error of her ways, or something equally as entertaining.)

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 07:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
the TP:FWWM thread reminded me of something.
we were having a TP weekly watching thing around here recently (one or two episodes every monday for several weeks). it had been a while since i'd watched the series, and it was entertaining of course. i've always loved it. but something struck me about it that, although i'd noticed before it had always seemed to be a smaller portion of the larger and more varied set of artistic intentions. but to my admittedly chemically enhanced brain it stood out like an, uh, out-standing especially bright light, or amateurist's broke toe or something. and what i'm getting at is the whole soap opera-ness of it all. it struck me suddenly as a straight up, over the top parody of "bizarre" soap opera plots that the normal, art-indiferrent masses go fucking gaga over. nothing in TP is really that much crazier than shit that goes on in the regular soaps. how it's presented of course is different. and anytime a TV is on in TP it's showing Invitation to Love, which is itself a hilarious and very obvious parody, but the camera turns back to the characters and it's a slightly less obvious parody, one cut with an often humorous sense of evil and dread that you're invited to take seriously. as art, etc. but it's all ridiculous! and then, my stoned head realized that all art is LITERALLY entertainment. as in i have a notion to create something and i entertain that notion and create a physical artifact of some kind. and, uh, nevermind. i'm not stoned now, i swear.

my other theory is that lynch, with TP, had an almost perverse understanding of what makes teenage girls with a certain disposition tick. as a dude, i can be a fan of course, but all the sinister, hidden shit going on with mom, dad, boyfriends, sisters, etc., ... everything is not okay! anyway, these theories are, like, quarter-baked, obviously.

i like the show. it's weird!

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I seem to remember 'Lynch's surreal take on the soap' being a prominent meme in the publicity surrounding the original airing. Peyton Place was mentioned a lot. I've never seen that, though.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

You guys are misjudging that Twin Peaks was all Lynch's ideas... Mark Frost (Hill Street Blues, $6 Million Man) had a huge hand in overseeing the writing and production of the series.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

amateurist was supposed to loan me his tapes of season 2, but forgot to bring them to our party and now he's in Italy. :(

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
true, gygax!, true. which really goes to show that, whatever you think of how successful TP as a product, it's certainly up there with a handful of shows as the most "WTF!?" thing on TV ever. as in how did this happen? who gave the green light to this? and who do i thank for doing so?

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Wasn't the 2nd season supposed to come out on DVD this Fall?

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman should get some credit too as a progenitor.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing in TP is really that much crazier than shit that goes on in the regular soaps.

I always thought that was part of the point. You have to remember this came on toward the end of the primetime soap era (Dallas-Dynasty-Falcon Crest). I remember an interview where Lynch, typically deadpan, said he didn't see why people thought it was weird, it looked just like a regular TV show to him. A lot of people took that as a put-on, but I think he was just acknowledging how weird "normal" TV shows really are.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 8 October 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

In case of anyone's interested, here's the latest news on the Twin Peaks DVD situation from www.lynchnet.com

Here's the latest DVD news from www.lynchnet.com

"It's almost the end of 2004 and the big question everyone is asking is, what's up with Season Two of Twin Peaks on dvd? Well, here's the latest. Our sources within Paramount say it's almost a sure thing that you'll see Season Two, as well as a re-release of Season One with the Pilot included, released by Paramount as soon as the rights revert back to them around September 2005. The current rights holder, Lion's Gate (formally Artisan) has no plans to further exploit Twin Peaks or any of it's Spelling Entertainment titles due to the short time frame they have before the rights are lost. So it's all up to Paramount now. Our sources also tell us that part of the reason for the delay of Season Two in other international regions is to have one big release worldwide around the same time in every country, US included. So for you folks overseas, you're also being affected by the rights issue here in the US. The other, though somewhat lesser reason for the delay is to allow more time to work on bonus features. But Paramount is committed to TV on dvd in a big way, and is eager to exploit all the Spelling holdings once they get the rights back, Twin Peaks and Beverly Hills 90210 being the first two they are planning on releasing. Keep in mind that none of this constitutes an official announcment, so these plans are always subject to change. But it looks like there's a good chance we'll finally get to see Season Two on dvd in 2005."

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
More Twin Peaks DVD news. The forthcoming release will benefit from brand new video transfers and work is being done on extra features.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, thanks for the info. I just rented an import of the pilot, but I started it and the quality is sub-par. I think I'll just wait for this re-release.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

what forthcoming release? are they finally putting the second season out?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, there are unofficial rumors of the 2nd season in DVD production.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. Paramount have now got the rights to Twin Peaks. I don't know if they will be re-releasing the first season, but I do know that reading various sources ( www.lynch.net and www.tvshowsondvd.com ) that they are working on a worldwide release of season 2 to be made available at some point later this year.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

dood they should put out the second half of the first season before they do the second season... I love the first DVD package but its woefully incomplete (only the first half dozen episodes, and its missing the premiere)

That being said: one of the best shows on American TV ever, period. We will never see anything this weird and idiosyncratic on network TV ever again. The fact that it got made and broadcast at all is a minor miracle.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

and if they reissue a Season One DVD set, will they retain the totally awesome package design w/the transparency of Laura's class picture laid over her corpse?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: The first season DVD was complete; the show started airing in the spring.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

really? geez, the second season has a lot more episodes than the first then... for some reason I thought the first season ended with the Leland Palmer breakdown/murder solved! episode.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah it was a short season in the spring, with a cliffhanger over the summer with Cooper getting shot. Then the second season started in the fall, with the Leland story wrapping up around christmas.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Wasn't the end of season 2 ("How's Annie? How's Annie?") just totally shit-your-pants scary or was it just me?

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

you mean this?
http://www.twinpeaks.hpg.ig.com.br/image091.jpg

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

uber-creepy. great ending.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been watching both seasons of TP via bittorrent over the last month or so. its a lot more coherent than i remember it being (well, up to the middle of series 2 anyway). also, its very funny. Albert the cynical FBI guy is comedy gold.

zappi (joni), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

didn't the second season start with that impossibly long scene of cooper on the floor of his room in the great northern and the old man bringing the glass of milk and not helping with his injury and andy yelling "agent cooper!" over and over on the phone?????

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yes! and the giant appears and tells cooper 3 things that he has to remember.

zappi (joni), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the second season premiere (which was like one of the most anticipated tv episodes ever - don't forget that twin peaks was initially a HUGE tv smash, big ratings, mag covers etc) was filled with david lynch tests the patience of his viewers craziness. god bless him.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

si, Senor Droolcup es muey bueno

Albert is likewise hilarious.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"The owls are not what they seem"
"Without chemicals, he points"
what was the third one?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"That gum you like is going to ... come back in style."

Also:
God, how hot was Madchen Amick?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the gum thing gives Leland away at the Roadhouse later on.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

that was one of the dwarf's lines, though.
(He's amazing in Carnivale btw, with a Humphrey Bogart kind of cool)

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

madchen amick was SO hot, sherilyn fenn too, how the hell laura flynn boyle ends up the one we're stuck with fifteen years later is a mystery

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Imagine being the copywriter who had to figure out how to try to explain what Twin Peaks was in a newspaper ad.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:09 (one week ago) link

I was 11 when I first watched the show and I literally threw the remote control out of my hand at BOB's first appearance.

Chris L, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:15 (one week ago) link

The owner of the Palmer house is now doing paid tours of it, and has set up a BOB mannequin looming inside a cracked-open closet door.

bae (sic), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:27 (one week ago) link

She seems cool, I've seen her social media postings and whatnot

rendered nugatory (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:28 (one week ago) link

My wife and I stopped outside that house several years ago. Her license plate is TREMOND.

Chris L, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:47 (one week ago) link

Did you see creamed corn on that plate?

subpost master (wins), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:51 (one week ago) link


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