The Pet Shop Boys' first twenty singles...

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Pete shelley is in fact bisexual. In fact he's married now.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Bearing in mind that their stated initial ambitions were to work with Bobby "O", and to get a 12" into the import racks at Record Shack on Berwick Street, it never occurred to me that the PSBs might be straight...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The Pet Shop Boys' last twenty singles are the worst run of singles in the whole history of pop music; discuss.

"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Paninaro '95"
"Before"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"Single-Bilingual"
"A red letter day"
"Somewhere"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"New York City boy"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Home and dry"
"I get along"
"Miracles"
"Flamboyant"
"I'm with Stupid"
"Minimal"
"Numb"

That's exactly 20 singles since Tom's list. I'd say at least 12 are as strong as the first 20 ones.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

By no means the "worst"--not within a longshot--but I would count precisely four of those on par with their greatest (three of them from Very), another three or four as "very goods" and the rest as either forgettable or boring (or unknown to me).

That said, I still think it's a spectacular run, and I can't think of another singles band that matches them for consistency (it's just that now they're more likely to be consistently very good rather than consistently amazing).

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

for some reason i always really liked 'Before'. i should check out the old Tenaglia and Joey Negro mixes of that to see if they fit my more Farley & Heller/Ashley Beedle-esque vision of the perfect version of that song.

;_; (blueski), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope one of those four is "Minimal," Scott.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Some of their best B-sides are in that final 20. The Truck Driver And His Mate, Too Many People, The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On, Sexy Northerner, Bright Young Things...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yup. I'd include "Sexy Northerner" and "The Truck Driver..." in any list of their very best. "Sexy Northerner" was so sleazy and unexpected that it rendered most of Release irrelevant (my opinion hasn't changed: it's their dullest album, by a wide margin).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I love "Before" too. And I think the PopArt bonus singles are amazing. The Scissor Sisters remix of "Flamboyant" should've been the single though.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The four greats by my estimation:
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Bilingual"

The "very goods":
"Before" (borderline between great and very good--should listen to it again)
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Home and dry"

The so-so (at best):
"Single-Bilingual"
"A red letter day"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"New York City boy"
"I get along"
"I'm with Stupid"

The others are forgettable or unfamiliar (I keep hearing that "Flamboyant" is great, but I think I've heard it once).

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

oops...not "Bilingual" - I meant "Minimal"

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

(and I meant that as one of the "greats"...distracted right now, slowly walk away)

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to send you the Scissors Sisters remix of "Flamboyant," Scott.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

curious to hear it (and thanks!)...but note that I am not much of a Scissor Sisters fan (at least not what I've heard). their recent bee gees/elton retread kind of drives me batty.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's how I'd rate them:

Brilliant
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"

Very Good
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"New York City boy"
"Flamboyant"
"Paninaro '95"
"Integral" (fingers crossed)

Good
"Before"
"Miracles"
"I'm with Stupid"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"Single-Bilingual"

So-So
"A red letter day"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Home and dry"
"I get along"
"Minimal"

Boring
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Somewhere"
"Numb"

daavid (daavid), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Objections noted. This is batty and bombastic in all the best ways.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

In no sane universe is "New York City Boy", their most rote, uninteresting single, better than "I Get Along". But Daavid at least has the top one right. I'd put "Miracles" in the brilliant basket as well.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The PopArt mix of "Flamboyant" -- emphatically not the single mix -- is absolutely storming, and a dependable floor-filler at DJ nights I've done (although this could just be people amusing me 'cause they know I wuv the PSB).

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

My ratings: (I always thought "Electricity" and "Closer to Heaven" would've made decent enough singles)

As Good as Any in the First 20:
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Flamboyant"

Excellent:
"Liberation"
"Paninaro '95"
"Before"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"Home and dry"
"I'm with Stupid"

Fine:
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Minimal"

Meh:
"Single-Bilingual"
"I get along"
"Miracles"
"Numb"

Atrocious:
"A red letter day"
"Somewhere"
"New York City boy"

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"Miracles" is definitely brillant.

Here's my rating:

Amazing
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Before"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"Miracles"
"Flamboyant"
"Minimal"

Great
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"A red letter day"
"Home and dry"

Good
"Paninaro '95"
"Single-Bilingual"
"Somewhere"
"New York City boy"
"I get along"
"I'm with Stupid"

Poor
"Numb"

(x-post)

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Chuck, you forgot "Can You Forgive Her?"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It's in the first 20 and obviously in the AMAZING category!

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah, just looked back on my list and violently disagreed with myself.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Their recent 20 are about as good as their first 20. Or, maybe not considering there are several in the bunch from "Release".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus the first couple of singles off the otherwise OK "Bilingual" was their first two tracks ever.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

not enuff luv for "You only tell me you love me when you're drunk", which is my fave from the last 20.

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 30 October 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

amazed to see how much "a red letter day" is being panned here. it's one of my favorites. i think pretty much _all_ of the singles from Bilingual are fantastic

and "Flamboyant" is arguably one of the best singles they've ever put out.

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 30 October 2006 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm a fan of "A Red Letter Day" too.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the GREATNESS in their last 20 singles which stands up to the first 20:

"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"A red letter day"
"New York City boy"
"Miracles"

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for "flamboyant," alfred - it's now in the later "greats" pile, though I think I slightly prefer the original shorter mix, which I also checked out.

this thread needs to go to the next level of obsessive silliness: favourite 20 pet shop boys album cuts that aren't singles (and this does not include b-sides--album cuts as album cuts only). here's hoping things get slow at work today.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"Red Letter Day" is really, really great. As is every single from "Very". The weakest of the past 20 PSB singles, besides the "Release" tracks, are "New York City Boy", "Se a Vida e" and "Single-Bilungual" - representing the worst three PSB singles ever.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Favourite 20 pet shop boys album cuts that aren't singles:

"Why Don't We Live Together?" (my favorite PSB tune, period)
"Two Divided By Zero"
"I'm Not Scared"
"Young Offender"
"Closer to Heaven"
"The End of the World"
"Shopping"
"Dreaming of the Queen"
"Kings Cross"
"Nervously"
"The Night We Fell in Love"
"It Always Comes as a Surprise"
"Boy Strange"
"You Choose"
"I Want to Wake Up"
"It Couldn't Happen Here"
"This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave"
"One & One Make Five"
"Later Tonight"
"To Face the Truth"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, I totally agree with every song you list there except for "Young Offender" (and I think you're light on b-sides; for example, "We All Feel Better In The Dark", "Paninaro", "Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend", "It Must Be Obvious", "Some Speculation", "In The Night", "I Want A Dog", "Jack The Lad", "Too Many People", "Was That What It Was?", "A Man Could Get Arrested" and "Music For Boys" are all awesome).

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Off top of head:

2/0
Violence
Kings X
Dreaming of the Queen
Closer to Heaven
To Step Aside
Different Point of View
I'm Not Scared (Patsy version)
Electricity
London
That lovely Chris Lowe song at the end of "Very"
Everything on "Behaviour"

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, I totally agree with every song you list there except for "Young Offender" (and I think you're light on b-sides

I'm following scott woods' instruction, Android Cat: omit b-sides. Had I included them, the list would easily have been triple its current length.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

As for non-single album tracks, "Nervously" has to be in there, as do also "Boy Strange" and "This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave".

I guess b-sides aren't non-singles or "Miserablism" would also have been an obvious contender.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah yes, "Miserablism"!

Excluding b-sides is silly.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

By all means, don't follow my criteria too closely--because I can't. Scanning the album tracks, I realize it's actually hard for me to come up with 20 non-singles I completely love--tons of things I like a lot, but that sort of list could go on forever, and what's the point?

I came up with 14, and whittled that down to ten. I tried not to get too chintzy about this but nonetheless disqualified, for instance: 1) "Left to My Own Devices" LP version, the only version of the song I really like (probably my all-time favourite PSB track);
2) "I Want a Dog" (also the Introspection vers.) because I know in some form or other it's also been a single or a b-side (though again, the LP version destroys the others)
3) "Always on My Mind" - ditto the LP version (w/the chipmunks break), which isn't necessarily superior to the single, but is just as great.

Anyway--here's 10 (very light on recent stuff--not nearly as blown away as others on this thread seem to be).

Two Divided by Zero
Why Don't We Live Together
It Couldn't Happen Here
King's Cross
To Face the Truth (was happy to see this on Alfred's list; it never gets mentioned anywhere)
A Different Point of View
Dreaming of the Queen
The Theatre
Young Offender
Closer to Heaven

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

to be honest, i don't think i know nearly enough about what's a b-side and what isn't (also, in which country??). in some cases, i don't even know what's a single--I always assumed "dreaming of the queen" was a single, for instance. nor do i know alternative well enough to comment on it, so maybe that was my ulterior non-b-side motive...I bet there'd be lots of stuff from that album I'd include, as I liked it a lot back when I listened to it.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad someone else thinks the version of "I Want A Dog" on Introspective is a slammin' track (shoo, Dan Perry).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

OH NO THE WARS BEGIN ANEW.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Mention this to him, Ned, and I send my men after you.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Tell them to go west, as life is peaceful there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

some of my friends went to the pet shop boys on sat. nite.

they said it was fantastic!

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, I wasn't trying to taunt with all those introspective tracks--i wasn't reading far back on this thread, and forgot about Dan Perry's hatred of it, which I obviously just don't get. To me, Frankie Knuckles piano solo on "I Want a Dog" alone is as good as just about any music released anywhere ever and by anyone.

so what's next on the agenda? in terms of psb lists, I mean?

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Their twenty best looks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm...

1) bored
2) bored
3) bored

can only come up with three, sorry.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

how about their two best books?

1) literally
2) pet shop boys vs. america

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Pardon -- twenty best *outfits*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

that would be good (though difficult). also, 20 songs by other people that would make ecstatic PSB covers.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link


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