Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

oh, see, i don't even know about post-tng stuff, so i shouldn't. i do remember picard's ptsd from first contact tho. the borg are Always A Part Of Him and stuff.

like he's got a darkness now or smthn? or an urge to PERFECT?

The Borg backstory is only fully addressed extra-canonically in the Destiny Trilogy books but I will again encourage anybody who likes TNG/DS9 to read those because they are great.

One more plug for the whole DS9 relaunch book series, which I have almost read through completely. ;_;

i think some of the art direction and sets in TOS, when it comes to the alien planets, are pretty incredible. some of it anyway

would vote in a star trek planets poll. some of the best ones are in the shittiest episodes. i don't really like "the apple" but it has that great lush jungle with the giant robot idol. problem is that they've all been fucking touched up, much more tastefully than star wars but nevertheless, and i'm not o.g. enough to have seen the 60s versions.

haha yes. sometimes i wonder how this played to viewers of the time as Vietnam was getting worse and worse, the tet offensive happening like halfway through the series, etc.

there's a really queasily specific didactic vietnam allegory in "a private little war" where the klingons have begun arming one side of a tribal war on a little peaceful planet of condescended-to noble savages and kirk makes the painful decision to involve the federation by arming the other side, thus maintaining "a... balance of power!" worst violation of the prime directive ever. meanwhile: kirk makes out w a hot native, a bear bites spock, etc.

he calls the weapons "serpents. serpents for the garden of eden."

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problem is that they've all been fucking touched up, much more tastefully than star wars but nevertheless, and i'm not o.g. enough to have seen the 60s versions.

you can switch between the original and remastered effects on the blu-rays. i think one of the dvd editions has the original effects too

oh cool. i don't think you can on netflix but who am i kidding that's not how i've been watching them. i can prob find the originals then if i track down another, you know. copy.

I second reading the Destiny Trilogy. The borg origin is very satisfying.

Just thinking about it makes me want to read it again.

It is deeply satisfying. That's a good way to describe it.

there's a really queasily specific didactic vietnam allegory in "a private little war" where the klingons have begun arming one side of a tribal war on a little peaceful planet of condescended-to noble savages and kirk makes the painful decision to involve the federation by arming the other side, thus maintaining "a... balance of power!" worst violation of the prime directive ever. meanwhile: kirk makes out w a hot native, a bear bites spock, etc.

Yeah, that one is really amazing. First time I saw it was a year or two ago, and it made me consider facets of that war that I had never thought of before.

kirk makes out w a hot native, a bear, bites spock, etc.

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First time I saw it was a year or two ago, and it made me consider facets of that war that I had never thought of before.

i mean it's not actually analogous, is the thing, right? it's only analogous to the shallowest of the then-official lines: an evil empire is interfering with a bunch of agencyless third-worlders to promote its own power. no explanation of why the two local sides are fighting except that the klingons disrupted their edenic pacifism. there's not even any space french. i do like the space bear, tho; it's a guy in an elaborate suit after several episodes (e.g. the gangster one) where they didn't even bother to put makeup on the aliens.

i guess it's more of a space gorilla really.

episode's still fascinating and recommended tho because bones is the antiwar voice in it and there's real tension between the show's general pacifism and its support for u.s. foreign policy, even if its final decision is unambiguous. roddenberry did the teleplay: this is happening in his soul! so it's a really pure example of what i was saying i liked: utopianism trapped in its time. but it's kinda hard to watch for me.

this line of mccoy's (i'm just on memory alpha now) kinda terrifyingly cuts through the episode:

"Jim, that means you're condemning this whole planet to a war that may never end! It could go on for year after year! Massacre after massacre!"

but make no mistake bones does not make policy

rip kang! i didn't know he was in the brando julius caesar, that's almost my favorite shakespeare movie.

lol you inspired me to watch that one

tyree was married to twiggy! his wife nona is married to zubin mehta!

rip kang :(

RIP. Watching "Day of the Dove" now. Had forgotten it was written by Jerome Bixby.

One of yr better shipboard episodes.

Although it might have some third season clunkiness to it.

Guy in college way back when used to always quote Kang's line "You will die of suffocation in the icy cold of space."

Man that would be a shitty fortune cookie.

Yup.

I think he used to slightly misquote it, leaving out the "suffocation" part. Also, I thought he said he was quoting Khan and wondered if he had seen a different version of "Space Seed" from the one I saw.

khan says "it is very cold... in space."

as the punch line to the good ol Klingon Proverb about revenge.

OK, "Day of the Dove" is fine when the Klingons are onscreen, some of the other stuff with the Enterprise crew is like a rehash of "The Naked TIme" from the first season.

we have no devil, Kirk.

What's next, the roar of crowds?

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btw Patrick Stewart, 73, married his "longtime gf," who is 35. Interstellar cradle snatcher.

yeahhhh it's creepy. but i also love the dude, so... torn

(obv he was looking for "the next generation")

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I've struggled through the first 2 series of DS9 and watched the first episode of S3 yesterday. Sisko turns up with a huge fuck-off warship with a cloaking device and decides to go into the wormhole to show the Dominion that they shouldn't regard the Federation as a threat wtf? Gunboat diplomacy at its finest.

It only gets better. Then in season four you get Weyoun.

We're on our second rewatch and have reached the final story arc which happens over 9 episodes. I sort of want to just watch it all in one fell swoop.

BTW, on netflix streaming, there are extended interviews from Shatner's the Captains. 30 minutes each with each one. No much extra footage than the original doc, but still good.

Yeah I was unsure about ds9 for a couple of seasons but that turned around big time.

love the sisko

By season 4 I love not only sisko but quark and dax too. Dax becomes all jaunty and rikeresque, it really works.

<3 Jadzia Dax 4eva

dax is awesome

Glad she gets better, cos she's boring the hell out of me atm, and the doctor's not faring much better tbh. However, far fewer bajoran west wing episodes than I remember from when I watched it first time around.

...I'm 5 minutes into S1E1 and OMG you're right about Sisko, its like english is his 2nd language and the intonations he's using are perfectly normal in his language but in english its the worst. Just the way he says "Acknowledged" in that first scene . . .

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I noticed the other day that Sisko's weird intonations seem to have either stopped bothering me or just stopped completely.

For me there is one specific scene, I think it's in the episode where dark riker steals their ship, where he delivers this line reading that's so insane it suddenly revealed his genius to me. IIRC:

"EVery STAR system has been scanned with PROton mic ro scopes and STILL no defiant."

xp ...or you learned to love The Sisko without realizing