Rolling "Gamers are digusting savages" topic

"Fillipino tyrannies"

The Marcos legacy lives on...

sorta relevant article http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creatives

NICE ONE U BALD CUNT 3 BURTS WITH A B23R ABOUT 1O METERS AWAY AND HE ONE SHOTS ME WITH A KSG IN THE HEAD U CUNT

xp definitely relevant. probably the first article I've seen that reasonably defends Fish

The old "call in a swat team" prank:

http://mashable.com/2014/08/28/twitch-prank-call-swatting/

feel like the past couple weeks have hit some sort of high water mark for disgusting savagery in gaming

It'd be nice to think that!

Dan Golding on The End of Gamers - the idea that women have never been 'Gamers' is suspect, but the point that there's a sea-change coming in their position in the business* is more on-point.

Leigh Alexander: 'Gamers' are over

*or at least, that there's general awareness that things are changing, and so an increasingly vicious pushback on that.

i'm not usually a glass-half-full guy but i agree

where's the better-used thread for this stuff again please?

Anyway

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBC7MhmWsAEgCZX.jpg:large

would adore an FPS where you just plough thru wave after wave of these douchebags

presumably it just continues after the end of the image for another 5,000 words of entitled cry-babyish whining

Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)? is what you 'want', Neil.

okay so let me try and parse this out

these idiots are butthurt because they paid money for previous ubisoft games in the name of 'innovation' while scorning the fact that they were 'multicutural lectures' aimed at 'degenerates and miscegenators' yet somehow, despite that, managed to appeal to a broad userbase of mainly americans

and now things have gone too far, somehow

I'm going to start blaming Ubisoft for my romantic rejections from now on.

this currently has 313 signatures btw

also this striking paragraph

Change the villains. It’s not so hard, really. Just change the villains to something more realistic. Islam is on the rise in America, as is the violence of inner city gangs. Are you scared to do so? In the words of Boltair – “To learn who rules you, simply find out who’s not being criticized.”

i assume they mean voltaire but there's apparently a 'furry artist and fursuiter' out there called talliy boltair and this is a gamergate petition so any of the usual assumptions about reality really need to be jettisoned at the first opportunity

Actually it really gets going after that: "In these times, you must understand that there might be some violent repurcussions if you intend to follow through with your pointless criticism."

Also quotes Voltaire, though quotes him as 'Boltair'

There's a stepped list of things that can be done to fix it, in order of most to least changes, which makes it sounds like bargaining (which it would be if they had any power). So 1) Make the villains black/muslim 2) Keep them as American Christians but throw in some non-whites 3) is a beauty: keep them as white god-botherers but:

Have the villains simply be misguided patriots forced into making their own nation vs. the will of an oppressive over-government, construed of all the people they turn their wrath against in their immediate surroundings. Their brutal physical and sexual violence towards their oppressors will then be explained as a reaction to harsh government policies and taxation, to show that both sides are wrong.

4) is fine fine let it play like that in France, but "You gotta play your market. Change the setting to Canada for America. ... We Americans have so few games to call our own, and we’re tired of losing them to multi-cultural bullshit."

NB: Far Cry 5 is being made by Ubisoft Montreal.

xxp sadly they may not have their demands met :-(

Thanks Andrew!

this is so on-the-nose i can't tell if it's parody or not

xp yes I am more familiar with talliy boltair than I was half an hour ago, in my salad days.

together we'll find the strength to get through this

In the immortal words of Boltair, 'No, mom, I told you to get the sausage Pizza Rolls, not pepperoni! God, I hate living here!'

this is yer man boltair's twitter avi fyi

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/748724142661332992/H5sYV-qm.jpg

and yeah, his twitter is every bit the queasy fusion of alt-right memes and gaming detritus you'd expect

a true intellectual heir to Hume, Kant and Diderot

or should that be "intellectual hare" sorry

his alt account seems to contain most of the real weird furry shit - he appears to be into fat furries

One more for #TummyTuesday #FatBunnyAgendaStyle

Help me pop that last button? #SendIceCreamPlease pic.twitter.com/HE78HJWOGX

— Rounded Bunny Gut (@DessertGunBunny) October 7, 2015

brb gonna seek psychological support

#TummyTuesday

oppa Fat Bunny Agenda Style

boltair does seem the type to yell at a butt

it is with a heavy heart i come to the realisation that there is almost certainly a furry-themed gangnam style parody video out there somewhere :(

oh

oh god

oh god no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Iux1zfrQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C2pSSpMz7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiF6Wl_0TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lhRKSAJ-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL2t-8RjTzQ

this nightmarish discovery is going to fuck up my youtube recommendations for years to come isn't it

In the words of Boltair is incredible, i didn't skip a beat and assumed this had to be either a video game character (maybe a Transformer?) and/or an alt-right Pepe Twitter person, hero of the continuing Gamergate underground survivors, named after such a character

lol at suggesting they change the game for America, coming right on the heels of complaining about "the outright censorship of art through 'localization' policies"

i think what they really mean by that is that they can't buy hentai games at target

i just looked up the premise for the game and its not even nearly as outrage-baiting as i expected

no shit

lmao bizarro

FIVE videos

no way am I clicking on any of them but lmao

there's a lot more out there, trust me

i have looked into the abyss

lol old lunch

BOLTAIR

I'M LOSING IT

kinda thought that was a sign this was a troll but it's too good

BOLTAIR's MANDIDE

usain boltair has won three 100m golds in the furry olympics iirc

ok fr it's way more likely one of these chuds would know it was "Voltaire" by sight but, never having heard it irl, thinks it's pronounced "VOL-tar-RAY" or something

candide, rhymes with carbide

i think you're giving these chuds too much credit, there's way more chance they've heard of some furry gamer than a dead frenchman

the voltaire quote probably shows up on boltair's gamertag or something

jfc that reddit post is maybe the most embarrassing shit i’ve read on the internet

idgi people give creators shit whether they are female or not. framing it this specific way seems like a surefire way to bait the scum of the Earth into attacking you. i mean this is kind of bait:

"Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job."

i dont get why you would even use Twitter in a public way if you didn't want people you don't work with commenting on your job.

really need to figure out how to get that killfile working here

reading that thread, she was looking for a fight, it has nothing to do with her as a person and is entirely about game design, she responds with a condescending "thanks for trying to tell me what we do internally, my dude 9_9" and things go to shit as people fall all over each other trying to call out someone for politely contributing to a public conversation.

Oh indeed. You’re definitely on the right side of this one.

bruneau working overtime to prove premise of thread objectively correct

If you have a Twitter account with your government name and your employer's name in the your bio and you aggressively berate an innocent, inquisitive consumer by using demonstrably false accusations of sexism in a community where actual virulent sexism is a known problem, some form of redress by your employer is probably warranted.

wait, i thought they were ardently anti-games-as-art (git yer politicking out of MY games) unless it was like the level of detail on gun stocks

They are pro-Games As Art they just don't think art has anything to do with politics (= any worldview not their own) and also see art as an objective thing that can be quantified. Basically they want their AAA games to be accorded universal respect.

xp idk, I don't think the guy she berated actually did anything wrong, but firing someone for being mildly pissy on twitter seems like such an overreaction that it's hard not to see it as capitulation to those toxic aspects of the community?

WHERE THE FUCK PLANET ARE YOU PEOPLE FROM WHERE HAVING A BAD DAY AND BEING A LITTLE BIT RUDE TO A CUSTOMER GETS YOU AND YOUR FRIEND ACTUALLY FIRED

Jesus fucking christmas is there not a thread about, I dunno, police work that Adam & how’s life can hang out on

If you have a Twitter account with your government name and your employer's name in the your bio and you aggressively berate an innocent, inquisitive consumer

Men never do this without getting fired. Fact.

I'm not saying she should have necessarily been fired. And definitely not the poor schlub who tried to stick up for her. But she should have expected something. I very rarely even mention my employer on social media and if I was speaking on their behalf, I sure as shit wouldn't use my account to harrangue an innocent person like that. Oh no, how could that go badly?

In rare agreement with El T here. Grousing yr customers is petty and childish but OTOH who gives a shit? Men get to play the grumpy card every fucking day. A good manager should be comfortable with their employee fucking up occasionally. Just say "hey don't do that so much" and leave it at that.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that her response was absolutely fine. It just seems weird to still be focusing on that when the retaliation from the community was so crazy.

the specifics of the industry they're in makes a bit of back and forth with online "customers" way more appropriate/less of a big deal too imo. it's not like she was, say, the head of state just blathering the most offensive shit that drifted thru her head at all and sundry

That dude tweeter is not 'innocent', that is 100% mansplaining.

it really isn't unless your definition is so utterly wide that it includes any man who disagrees with a woman and voices that disagreement.

i think she was being a jerk and it wasn't called for, but i also don't think she deserved to be fired over it.

It's not just disagreeing, it's disagreeing with her about how she should do her job. It's the lack of respect for her credentials and experience. And when it happens each and every day, you're bound to lose your head every now and then.

Also when the suggestion is “moar branching dialogue trees” it’s like, are you twelve?

people LOVE branching dialogue, it’s so much fun saving before every NPC convo so you can min-max the options, yes, great, put more of that in the game

Basically they want their AAA games to be accorded universal respect.

this is particularly sad because the voice acting and stories in AAA games are generally on the level of a pretty good high school production

It's not just disagreeing, it's disagreeing with her about how she should do her job. It's the lack of respect for her credentials and experience. And when it happens each and every day, you're bound to lose your head every now and then.

the idea that he shouldn't express disagreement with her about game design because she's a professional game designer and he's just some guy who plays games seems silly to me - of course laypeople can have opinions about computer games, it's not like they're talking about string theory or something

"It's not just disagreeing, it's disagreeing with her about how she should do her job. It's the lack of respect for her credentials and experience. And when it happens each and every day, you're bound to lose your head every now and then.

― Frederik B, Monday, July 9, 2018 3:55 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

he was disagreeing on a design point. like you should be able to critique creative decisions even if you are not a designer/filmmaker/musician/whatever, we do it all the time. and with stuff like game development, as shitty as some of it is, processing community feedback is part of the gig. i just don't get any whiff of condescension there, guy (regardless of quality of his take) seemed to just want to have a discussion.

I have no idea why a woman in the gaming industry would be so defensive.

lol @ all the men in this thread not getting why a female in a male dominated industry might just lose her shit a little once in a while because this stuff only happens EVERY DAY.

Good thread

So, because it seems a lot of people are having trouble with it, I'm going to talk about Jessica Price and ArenaNet.

— John Teasdale (@beaglerush) July 11, 2018

Yes

This 👏 is 👏 sexism. This is what it looks like. If you look at this situation and join the mob of people sympathizing with that "poor, innocent man", it is my firm belief that you are, excuse the saying, part of the fucking problem.

— John Teasdale (@beaglerush) July 11, 2018

that is an excellent thread

excellent thread with a real mixed bag of replies. anyone who identifies as a gamer is to be watched tbh

really not feeling this gamertag self-hatred

you're just leaving "gamer" to millions of players who shouldn't just be lumped in with sexist/racist assholes

Sometimes it's just not possible to reclaim a term. But yes, a good thread, probably getting hi lots of hate atm.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/13/17566068/banned-twitch-streamers-youtube-slurs-language

...others argued that terms like “gay” and “fag” evolved online. People claim that because the terms are used so often online, and supposedly without any malice, then our own understanding of how these words should be able to change. This argues kids who grow up on the internet, and see words like “gay” and “fag” slung around as casual supplements for words like stupid, frustrating, or annoying, wouldn’t think twice about using a slur because it’s not how the word was introduced into their vocabulary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jy6Ob1WDBE

I wish that project was a tad less edgelordy

yeah, i agree; the obsession with copypasta hobbles it a bit.