haha, what a shocka that is
― kingfish, Thursday, 19 February 2009 06:40 (fifteen years ago) link
One wishes that writer, Moore, could have used his considerable talents to produce uplift as opposed to depression, to reach for the sublime instead of the prosaic, to inspire by taking the high road instead of the low.
I've always sorta seen V and Watchmen as companion pieces: V is all about "taking the high road", the possibility of change in society, whereas Watchmen is the cynical work, "the more things change the more they stay the same". It's notable though that both series have an open ending, we don't know what happens after the cataclysmic events in their finales, so V is not totally idealist and Watchmen is not totally pessimist.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 19 February 2009 07:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Graphically, it isn't very well drafted. It does have the benefit of being created in the semi-realist style that began to be popular in the 1980s though. which instantly makes it better than today's comics drawn in that horrible Japanese Anime/Manga style that has so pervaded the comic book industry of late. Thankfully, Watchmen's was not yet an era infected by this regrettable, current trend in US comic art.
OK, this person has never actually looked at Watchmen or any other comic book.
― Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:05 (fifteen years ago) link
There's a link to a sodding 22 page long book-by-book critique by the same guy at the bottom of that article.
― chap, Thursday, 19 February 2009 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link
He had me at "why can't art just be PRETTY?"
― Magdalen Goobers (Oilyrags), Thursday, 19 February 2009 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
"the turn of a woman's arm"
I like how he hated Watchmen enough to write a thesis-length essay on what's bad about it.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 19 February 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
fyi lame-o watchmen the movie has a cuet girl in it
― harry s tfuman (and what), Thursday, 19 February 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Veidt is not an effeminite euro-pansy. He's supposed to be a liberal/humanist ideal - in perfect shape, a macho sex symbol, an enlightened lefty, etc.
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link
AKA STING
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
I think you guys are confusing Veidt with John Constantine.
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
He doesn't bother me that much. Moore & Gibbons had always indicated in the annotations/notes that Veidt was more or less a "Sting" type.
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― kingfish, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Sting is the gift that keeps on giving.
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I still think I am the only one in the world who will like this movie (and admit to it).
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Girl is hott, guy looks like a schnook, should be worthwhile.
― kingfish, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah I've never seen/heard this anywhere and am questioning the accuracy of this statement duh
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
It's so golden I WANT to believe it.
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
At one point I thought Carry Elwes might be a good Viedt, but I've just googled what he looks like now, and hmmm, no.
― chap, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2007/12/8864_0027.jpg
"I engineered a monster, cloned its brain from a human psychic, sent it to New York and killed half the city."
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Moore created John Constantine with notes to Rick Vietch (I think) to make him look like Sting. Never heard that about Ozzy.
― Magdalen Goobers (Oilyrags), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.sting.com/bin/galImg/siteFiles/4805753713.jpg
"Sure, I'll sign off on those action figures."
― i'm shy (Abbott), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/1784_4_1.jpg
http://www.backissuecomics.co.uk/store/images/DC/DC577A-I-2.jpg
― kingfish, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Bissette/Totleben did the og character design
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, they were all working Swamp Thing around the same time. Couldn't remember who exactly did what.
― Magdalen Goobers (Oilyrags), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
He was supposed to be an effeminate euro-pansy, cf Rorschach's "don't trust Veidt, maybe he's gay?" musing.
Also I'm not sure you actually saw what he looked like in his costume in the comic book if your first thought on him is "oh, macho sex symbol!"
― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm referring to the way he functions within the world of Watchmen - with action figures modelled on himself, women swooning over him, peddling sexually charged products based on himself, etc.
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
duh of course he looks gay in his costume. as Morbz accurately points out all superheroes look pretty gay.
Rorschach thinks everyone is a homo/deviant/communist lolz at deferring to his vp for accuracy
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
> Also I'm not sure you actually saw what he looked like in his costume in the comic book if your first thought on him is "oh, macho sex symbol!"
As The Monarch said of Phantom Limb, he wears a lot of purple for a white guy.
― Magdalen Goobers (Oilyrags), Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Women threw themselves at Simon LeBon, does that make him a macho sex symbol?
Women continue to throw themselves at Prince, does that make him a macho sex symbol?
― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
yes and yes
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Rock Hudson also a macho sex symbol btw
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
hmm okay Prince is questionable
it just seems obvious to me that within the Watchmen narrative the whole point of Veidt's character is that he represents the IDEAL of western society, the achievement of some kind of rational, humanist pinnacle - and then revealing that the flipside of that character is that he is still a mass murderer. He's a best intentions kind of character. Painting him as a lolz "republic serial villain" complete with threatening homo underpinnings is missing the point entirely.
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
we all know how Snyder feels about effeminite pansies after 300, right...
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
^ this. veidt should seem flawless, beautiful, handsome, kind, compassionate, thoughtful, etc. like the perfect presidential candidate. playing up the creepo stuff undercuts the character. that said, i'm gonna give the movie some leeway to reenvision.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I said this a long time ago upthread but Veidt is The Mentalist (it only makes perfect sense)http://media.sheknows.com/articles/Baker-Simon-Mentalist.jpg
I can only hope the actor who plays veidt in the movie doesn't come off as impotent as night owl.
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Veidt has never come across that way to me, even on my first reading of "Watchmen". He has always come across as somewhat imperious and condescending, the type of ersatz goody-two-shoes who will cheerfully lead you down a path, then stab you in the back in the name of personal advancement. I don't think he's trying to save the world out of any type of humanistic ideal; he's trying to save the world because he wants to prove that he's the only one who can (hence the self-important codename "Ozymandius").
― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Really wishing there was a Venture Brother movie instead.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
He has always come across as somewhat imperious and condescending, the type of ersatz goody-two-shoes who will cheerfully lead you down a path, then stab you in the back in the name of personal advancement.
Tom Cruise
― Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 19 February 2009 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
> Really wishing there was a Venture Brother movie instead.
I heard a rumor that's what's up after S4.
― Magdalen Goobers (Oilyrags), Thursday, 19 February 2009 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Venture Bros is totally the Watchmen of superhero cartoons.
― chap, Thursday, 19 February 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Lots more clips here: http://io9.com/5156689/6-more-watchmen-clips-to-put-you-in-the-costumed-adventuring-mood
― Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 19 February 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I always thought Cruise was perfect for Veidt.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 19 February 2009 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah Cruise would be good cuz he wouldn't have to actually do any acting
― Comic Book Morbius (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 February 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Guys Ozymandias is not a midget. Maybe Cruise would have made a good Big Figure.
― Pancakes Hackman, Friday, 20 February 2009 00:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Wil Wheaton liked it.
― James Mitchell, Friday, 20 February 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link
so, apparently they're re-shooting the ending and re-dubbing some of Rorschach's lines
― Father Time has always been our most reliable film critic (latebloomer), Friday, 20 February 2009 04:22 (fifteen years ago) link
man linda f looks dope in that clip i gotta watch that movie
― harry s tfuman (and what), Friday, 20 February 2009 04:27 (fifteen years ago) link
her cameo as rorschach's mom is pretty cool
― Father Time has always been our most reliable film critic (latebloomer), Friday, 20 February 2009 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
― Pancakes Hackman, Friday, February 20, 2009 12:20 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you realize that like every male lead in hollywood is pint-sized right? they have ways of shooting around that.
― s1ocki, Friday, 20 February 2009 04:49 (fifteen years ago) link