Imagine if John Lydon had died in 1980 and Ian Curtis was making adverts for Country Life butter

what if they had went with morrissey

xp wk,

"whoa whoa whoa"

these young men you fancifully fry
with those weights on their shoulders so high

I keep reading the title of this thread as 'Imagine if John Lennon had died in 1980... '

me too actually!

it's easy if you try.

steven was the good singer but he couldnt sing and play at the same time iirc

that said i love bernard's voice despite its imperfection. i named my cat after him! he has a good voice too.

I enjoy hooky's vocals on dreams never end and doubts even here. only ever heard one revenge song though.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/25/if-germans-won-first-world-war

^^^worse than a thousand liveblogs of 'carry on dick'

What if Dr. Dre had died in 1996 and Tupac Shakur was a soon-to-be Apple exec hawking overpriced headphones?

What if Igor Stravinsky shocked the crowd at the 1913 Newport Folk Festival with his electrified version of "Le Sacre du Printemps"?

What if Beethoven lost his sense of smell instead of hearing?

irl lol

what if Phil collins was gay?

"In Too Deep" would have a whole other dimension.

you're no son of mine

heard 'love will tear us apart' in the supermarket the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBzmn8bcyk

Ian Curtis rides a rollercoaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPIvoJkmGs

I saw that yesterday but couldn't think the best thread to put it on. Good pick.

What if the Red Hot Chili Peppers came from Grimsby instead of Hollywood?

We were the butter kind

Posted on another thread?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/john-lydon-trump-brexit-nigel-farage-support-sex-pistols-singer-good-morning-britain-a7652981.html?cmpid=facebook-post

it's funny that this is being treated like it's a news story when he's openly been a right-wing shithead for as long as i can remember

It's like how people were Stoll looking to Bob Dylan to lead the revolution in 1982

as ian curtis is in the thread title: imagine what an insufferable bastard he would be if he were alive, considering that when he was in his early 20s he was a tory voter who didn't allow his wife to vote because she supported labour

lol i didnt know that, damn

thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments

as opposed to...?

this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.

Lydon's been making a fool of himself in one way or another for 35 years. (I should say I haven't read his books, which are supposed to be good.) But I'm with Marcus there (he's talking about some Sex Pistols reunion show specifically, but I'd extend it to pronouncements like Lydon's today):

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 27, 2017 9:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as opposed to...?

― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, March 27, 2017

my bad: I missed the first post

I don't remember the tory Curtis stuff. What's the source on that?

It's in Touching from a Distance:

Ian ... voted Conservative as he always would do. He argued that as his wife I had to vote the same way, otherwise I would cancel his vote!

https://books.google.com/books?id=LmSwBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&dq=ian+curtis+conservative+touching+from+a+distance&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR65SYnvjSAhUD2yYKHd5_BjgQuwUIIzAB#v=onepage&q=ian%20curtis%20conservative%20touching%20from%20a%20distance&f=false

He died at 23. There was only two general elections he could've voted in and only one during their marriage. That "he always" is carrying a lot of weight.

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

the doddering classes often become conservative without realizing it

this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArthvGUb_w

Doughnut Bump?

Man, Conan looks weird in that screen capture.

too bad, cz "no future in England's dreaming" is a fairly prescient synopsis of Brexit

or maybe it won't be, I mean I can't claim to be that prescient myself obv

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

Well, if he's complacent enough to view the situation as nothing more than entertainment, that's something of an ideological position in itself, but I think he said more than that? There's more of the interview here (although it's mostly quoted in the text of the Independent article). He said he stands with the working class in favour of Brexit. (And if I understand how the British class system works, which I definitely don't, I'm guessing this probably means something like "white working class".) And he said "the left-wing media" is smearing Trump as racist, which he doesn't think is true (but many of us do); and that it's a very good thing that he's "terrifying politicians" (again, not something that everyone agrees with).

Probably considers himself smeared as a racist by Kele Okereke.

lydon is most likely a tory shithead, all things considered, but he's also always been pretty good at saying stuff that gets him media attention

nah, he's "apolitical", like as in "atonal"

I doubt he's a Tory. Being NOT MIDDLE CLASS is his whole thing.

it's not his whole thing - there's also being a sneering, money-motivated property-developing arsehole with which is prime tory territory iirc