The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizona/free/20130716arizona-boy-shot-fort-huachuca.html

http://news.yahoo.com/fire-fears-trigger-u-rocky-mountain-ban-exploding-024811964.html

The U.S. Forest Service has blamed the targets for lighting 16 wildfires since 2012, seven of them in the five-state region under the ban. The blazes together cost more than $33 million to put out.

http://www.kmov.com/news/just-posted/Police-Gun-safety-219327371.html

LANCASTER, Ohio (AP) -- Police say an instructor at a central Ohio gun safety class has accidentally shot a student.

lol

"...(the student) tells the newspaper it appears (the instructor) didn’t know the gun was loaded..."

I mean, seriously

that is comedy direct from god. i have no other way to interpret it.

http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Gun-rights-rally-to-break-long-Alamo-tradition-4907464.php

i sincerely hope all these people just go ahead and shoot each other

Guns & Ammo editor steps down following pro-gun control editorial

eh fuck em all

He just didn't love guns enough

http://i.imgur.com/ZhJjF31.jpg

aw, he shd start a pacifist rival publication to axe cop

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) is expected to sign a bill that even the National Rifle Association is calling the most “comprehensive gun bill” in recent state history. It allows guns in bars, nightclubs, and government buildings without security checkpoints such as libraries. It eliminates criminal charges for those who accidentally bring their guns to the airport or other secured buildings where guns are prohibited. It even expands the state’s Stand Your Ground provision to allow felons to invoke the defense, and allows guns in public schools by authorized teachers and administrators.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/25/3418602/georgia-governor-expected-to-sign-the-most-extreme-gun-bill-in-america/#

WTF?

It eliminates criminal charges for those who accidentally bring their guns to the airport or other secured buildings where guns are prohibited.

Yeah, Atlanta-Hartsfield is one of the biggest in the world, that can't be right.

LOL @ 'accidentally' bringing your guns to the airport. Does that work if you are Muslim?

Yeah they have to mean eliminating any state charges that exist over/above fed charges, surely.

This year there have been two cases of high school students in my county accidentally bringing their guns to school in their cars.

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/schools/south-river-high-student-expelled-for-having-shotgun-in-car/article_46e48299-e807-5751-8d23-bb9bbf7b4800.html

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/schools/shotgun-found-in-student-s-truck-at-southern-high-school/article_6602ec3a-9eb6-5517-8bdc-3b64d6779757.html

this happened once when i was in HS, kid had a hunting rifle back there and had forgotten in #countryshit

*it

Sure, and I can basically see that happening with some regularity pre-Columbine.

fwiw this was post columbine

the georgia stuff feels like the policy equivalent of trolling.

"you want gun control, eh?"

I thought we figured all this out already. No? Oh, well.

Seriously, though, thanks to NRA nuts and their obsession with concealed carry, every fucking building in my city now has to have a decal of a gun with a slash through it to show that guns are not welcome. The elementary schools, places of worship, bookstores and coffee shops ... as if the prohibition of guns in those places is the exception, not the rule. So dispiriting to volunteer in my kids school and see the stupid stickers up. What does it teach them? That everyone in the city is likely packing? Is that the NRA long game, to try to convert America's youth to their paranoid ways? I can imagine their retort now.

"Maybe if we begin teaching our kids about gun skill and safety and let them carry them we could prevent the next whatever. If only the liberals would allow kids to carry guns to school..."

Throws $10 million dollars at some asshole running for some public office.

had another otherwise-relaxing hike marred by the loud, intermittent POPPOPPOP of someone enjoying their gun shooting hobby. way low on the list of shitty effects of gun culture, but point being that even when it's someone being a "good gun owner", following all laws, being conscientious about keeping their guns out of kids' hands, etc, just having it around for peace of mind and target practice, it's at the least an annoying fucking hobby. Used to play tennis at courts near the local gun club, ahhh what a peaceful way to spend a weekend afternoon, the sunshine, the friendly athletic competition, the incessant POPOPOPOPOPOP.

idk i'd kinda like that

Seriously, though, thanks to NRA nuts and their obsession with concealed carry, every fucking building in my city now has to have a decal of a gun with a slash through it to show that guns are not welcome.

my city is like this too, every business and office has one of those stickers. except the gun shop, i guess.

Concealed carry obsessives are pathetic, but that's some "Ugh, why are all these signs in Mexican too" bullshit. The horror, the horror of gun pictograms in my line of sight.

Yeah, nothing horrible about seeing a no-handgun sign in the front door of an elementary school.

True the gun control crowd are a lot like racists

for those with any interest in the 3d printed guns debate: http://gizmodo.com/join-the-debate-3d-printed-guns-or-government-regulati-1555676392

i dont even have a gun, but if i mention that to people, they dont seem to like it one bit!

damn, a couple dudes were murdered (shot to death) by a career criminal the other night in the Central District of Seattle and they turned out to be friends of friends :(

I didn't know them personally but I've never had gun violence hit so close to home.

Aw man, that's fucked up. I'm sorry.

(naturally the murderer was from my hometown, go figure)

for a minute i thought we were on the right track: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-open-carry-gun-activists-behavior-downright-weird/

but then: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-official-shaming-open-carry-texas-gun-groups-was-a-mistake/

my parents live in a suburb just northeast of dallas (i live in the city proper) and they've seen people carrying openly (i.e. holsters on hips) at the local grocery store. not quite the same as toting rifles or AKs to local businesses, but it's a step in the wrong direction regardless. my question - isn't this kind of shit illegal? why aren't these fools being arrested?

Sorry, Rev. Hearing this stuff gets worse as one ages.

It's not illegal in some states, art.

It's not illegal in some states, art.

but in places where concealed carry is still the law of the land, people carrying weapons openly in this manner are committing some kind of crime, right? i'm not trying to be obnoxious, i want to know if i can call the cops if i see people carrying guns in this way.

some states have open carry laws

In Texas, yes, "open carry" is still illegal. There may be a loophole where if the gun is unloaded it's okay - some yahoos were doing that in California a couple of years ago (gun on one side, magazine in pocket).

In some states open and concealed carry are both legal.

my wife was out with her friend and they saw a dude brandishing an AK-47 on the side of the road, presumably walking from the open carry demo at a chili's

these people are fucked up

i want to know if i can call the cops if i see people carrying guns in this way.

if you know how to dial a phone, you can call them, but that doesn't mean they'll do shit about it. the nra has lobbied through quite a few "open carry" laws in a large number of states, including sidearms (e.g. idiots), not just long arms (e.g. hunters).

Just from today:

MONTOURSVILLE – State troopers in Lycoming County are investigating an early-morning shooting at a party on Weldon Street.

Authorities told Newswatch 16 that Cody Gorsline, 24, Williamsport was flown to Geisinger Medical Center near Danville with life-threatening injuries.

Police said Gorsline was shot in the head around 2 a.m.

Troopers said Gorsline died from his injuries Monday.

Police say the victim had come to Derek Gair’s home for Gair’s surprise birthday party and that the two men went into an upstairs bedroom so that Gair could show Gorsline a gun.

According to police Gorsline was shot in the head as both men were handling the gun.

A new father is dead after what appeared to be a bizarre, accidental shooting Tuesday night.

Steven Justin Ayers, 33, and his wife had gathered family members to celebrate the homecoming of their 3-day-old baby — born on Father’s Day. But the celebration at 2502 Michigan Court ended shortly after 6 p.m. when a stray bullet entered the home from more than 200 feet away, struck Ayers in the back of the head and killed him instantly.

Moments earlier, Charles Edward Shisler, 62, had picked up a loaded 9mm pistol in his residence, adjacent to the Ayers’ home, and the gun discharged. Shisler was in his backyard at 3708 W. 25th St. by the time Bay County Sheriff’s Office deputies arrived minutes after the shooting, according to arrest reports.

Shisler was initially uncooperative with deputies and “extremely belligerent,” according to arrest reports. While in custody, waiving his right to remain silent, Shisler told officers the shooting was accidental.

“The damn gun doesn’t usually shoot,” Shisler’s arrest report quoted him as saying. “You have to squeeze the hell out of the trigger to shoot it.”

FREEDOM! SMELL IT!

We both shot him! Double Jeopardy!

His "Don't blame me! Blame the gun!" defense is contrary to NRA received wisdom, which assures us that guns do not kill people.

Yeah, that's the shit they always pull. "It just went off! All on its own!"

it's definitely possible to accidentally shoot a gun, which is just another reason to ban all guns

http://i.imgur.com/4a7clh9.png

speaking of...

Missouri School Districts Start Training Teachers To Carry Concealed Weapons In Classroom

For a $17,500 fee, districts that opt in to the 40-hour program receive training for two staffers from current law enforcement officers through the Shield Solutions training school. Teachers are required to spend five hours in a classroom and 35 hours on the range with the required firearm, a Glock 19 semi-automatic pistol. Ten districts have undergone the training thus far, with three more having signed contracts and even more in negotiations, according to The Kansas City Star.