Macklemore, "Same Love"

Macklemore must be stopped

i heard this song on the radio the other day. its about respecting gay people. it's really bad

and it's not really that respectful of gay people!

he could prob sell out a week's worth of key arena. surprised he didn't just go for safeco

oh, I guess the shows are in december and safeco would be a less than ideal venue at that time of year. oh well, macklemore fans can freeze for all I care.

I would be interested to hear some of the ways that the song is not respectful of gay people. Sincere query.

because the gay community is doesn't need some straight, white, over-smug clown in a Davy Crockett hat to protect them from the fact that 50 Cent says "faggot"

If you could poll "the gay community" on this song, what do you think the split would be as far as those who think it's cool and appreciate the message versus those who would prefer a rapper not cut a song supporting their cause and have it become a big hit?

among people I know, it appears to be 70% positive, 30% negative

of the 70% positives, about 90% of them are white; of the 30% negatives, 90% of them are of color and/or ILXors

ha

"if i was gay, i would think hip hop hates me" is the point where i have to reach for the dial if even get that far

because the gay community is doesn't need some straight, white, over-smug clown in a Davy Crockett hat to protect them from the fact that 50 Cent says "faggot"

― bando brothers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:01 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

macklemore annoys me but like i dunno if smugness and whiteness should be attributes that preclude someone from recording a song that support's the gay community

i have a problem with "same love" not so much because of the gay stuff but moreso the race stuff

supports*** wow i am sleepy

omg i want to delete that post that apostrophe is so hideously ugly and egregious

"A culture founded from oppression/Yet we don't have acceptance for 'em" is an actual lyric in this song and neither of the cultures in question are his to lecture or speak for. This straight white guy is indicting and then lecturing all of hip-hop on behalf of gay people as if he has any idea what it's like to experience the oppression either group has faced.

http://distilleryimage2.ak.instagram.com/06746cb2f32011e297b922000a1fa527_7.jpg

Insane Clown Posse dudes watch the "Can't Hold Us" video and coin the perfect nickname for Macklemore:

http://youtu.be/my9mjd0BTyY

haha

You motherfucker

reminds me of all the old rolling stones and spins i stole from the library as a kid. that was fucking awesome.

ow I just reflexively punched my monitor

bring back dzhokar

oh no, not the biggest success story of the year

Had this horrible one second moment where I thought you were saying Dzhokar was the biggest success story of the year.

ctrl + f "mackleless" -- not found?!

oh no, not the biggest success story of the year

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:40 AM

meant to add something there, but forgot and now I think I should just not bother.

lol faec is hueg

Haggerty, a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, says that at one point he was so worried about being trivialized as "the 'Thrift Shop' guy" that his sobriety was at risk: "I went through a place of not being happy, getting put in the box of 'This is a novelty rap song,' and being like, 'What did I sign up for'?

looking forward to his under the bridge

"I went through a place of not being happy, getting put in the box of 'This is a novelty rap song,' and being like, 'What did I sign up for'?

"Then I got my first royalty check."

'i havent shopped at a thrift shop in a while'

Well.

Shouldn't he convince his listeners that to balance out systematic power, they would be doing a much better thing for the world by turning him off and listening to Kendrick Lamar?

lmao okay

sort of like the only way for macklemore to talk about homophobia in hip hop is to become both black and gay?

I can't fucking deal with Rich Juzwiak at all any more. It takes a real piece of work to make Macklemore (talking race!) look like the good guy.

otm

is he a bad guy rev??

i mean maybe i missed it, inbetween the parts where he was talking specifics about how his skin color has smoothed a path to mainstream acceptance that a lot of other rappers don't have access to?

he's playing the minnesota state fair this year

is he opening for Depeche Mode?

You can shrug everything off by saying, "I'm a fucking human being," or you can actually be a fucking human being and use your fucking human being brain so that you become the change you say you wish for the world.

Had Juzwiak constructed his argument/objection to Macklemore wholly around this point, I might be nodding along in agreement right now, but this piece as a whole reads like such an inchoate screed that I can't help but assume (not having been following his writing on Macklemore) that Juzwaik is in some ongoing process of sniping at every little thing this guy does or says. Far more Mean Girls than thoughtful, reasoned takedown, basically.

is he a bad guy rev??

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean maybe i missed it, inbetween the parts where he was talking specifics about how his skin color has smoothed a path to mainstream acceptance that a lot of other rappers don't have access to?

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:08 PM Bookmark

I don't have any issue with his statements quoted in the piece, no. But I do with some of his songs and with the way he's been received (although the latter is somewhat beyond his control, obviously). By the way, can we not do this "white person condescendingly asks black person to justify their frustrations about race" thing? Please.

But basically, my beef at the moment is with Juz, for taking people's legit arguments against Macklemore and distorting them into absurdity to attack a fairly on-point statement because he doesn't leak either Macklemore or the people originating those arguments.

doesn't like*

And people who get all defensive when confronted with privilege theory get the side-eye in general.

when you get to the point where the only course of action you'd accept from a musician is that they stop making music and repent all past works, it's probably time to stop writing about them.

I listened to Nardwuar's 2011 interview with Macklemoo. It was striking how much he didn't know about hip-hop dudes from Seattle, even dudes that he apparently namechecks in his songs. I don't know how common it is for rap mans to not know shit about dudes they give shout-outs and props to.

i'm really sorry that i came off condescending. i respect the hell out of your take on things and it's frustrating for ME not to know what they are. i've asked you before in this thread what your beef is with this guy (i don't think you got back to me though)

rev i would be v interested to read your takedown.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think i was surprised by you insinuating that macklemore is a "bad guy" specifically w/r/t to that piece because his quotes in that piece are like, reading from the hymn book of what you need to say if you're a successful white pop rapper.

(above post to the rev, obv)

but really genuinely - really not trying to pry some kind of justification out of you. there IS something immediately skeevy about the guy, like just visually (and don't even get me started on ryan lewis... *brrrr*). then again i felt the same way about rafael nadal and now i love him.

rev i would be v interested to read your takedown.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I meant to address this but I didn't have time or energy when you asked and never got back around to it. Gonna grab some lunch right now but I'll get back to you later.