Sopranos

I am glad he got whacked off-camera, despite all the violent deaths in the show I couldn't handle seeing Tony's shell opened up.

yeah that interpretation seems so plainly correct that i feel dumb for not seeing it the first time through.

tony getting whacked due to carelessness and hubris (as opposed to being eternally plagued by paranoia) makes sense given his character, as it's consistently established throughout the show that he keeps surviving/staying out of prison largely out of pure luck, luck that is bound to run out and that kept dwindling as the show went on.

the fact that the cut black lasts however long it does before the credits begin—meaning the blackness is PART of the episode, not the end of it—basically says it all

love the patsy parisi theory, and the idea of the mikey palmice "3 o'clock" warning from beyond the grave is grade A.

Definitely makes a sound case. I need to work my way through all the episodes again though, whenever that happens, to see how I feel the second time.

I read that before I saw the last season, so I was fully expecting it to be the truth, but I don't think it holds up. If we're just supposed to think that he dies, then the rest of the episode does an awful job of making that seem like a good ending. It's such a mess, really.

it's a GREAT ending!

yeah it's brilliant

I've said this just recently, but by itself, the final scene is a brilliant piece of filmmaking. It doesn't fit with the rest of the episode.

Haven't watched it since it aired, but I remember being halfway through the last episode and wondering why they were spending time introducing us to AJ's new girlfriend.

It is a great ending in the manner in which it spares you all the standard bathos of the death scene and the aftermath, don't need to see Tony going into the light or having flashbacks before he kicks the bucket. Seen it before in countless movies and it would detract from everything about Tony which makes the series good. Don't want want to see him defeated and gurgling blood on the deck, he has been whacked and The Sopranos is finished.

where is my night in white satin armour?!?!

New interview:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/sopranos-creator-david-chase-discusses-the-unknown-facts-of-the-show-and-its-infamously-ambiguous-finale

Uncle Junior: What are we, children? Anyway, at our age it's enough surprise we're still alive every morning.

another piece of evidence for the tony is dead theory (which is true), is that david chase has always said he'd never do a sopranos sequel, but that he might be open to a prequel. PRETTY BIG HINT THERE>

well yeah

of course there's also one other major impediment to a sequel now

They could just get Patton Oswalt to substitute.

I think there is a lot to be said for Gilligan's approach as a show-runner as opposed to Chase's rampant egotism and it isn't like he has done anything worthwhile since The Sopranos. That 60's movie was such rinse.

"show-runner"

Well I just read that awful Difficult Men book, that is the term they use.

term has been commonplace since I heard it used re The Simpsons, like, 15 years ago

is it awful? my friend gave it to me.

and im familiar with the term, its just one of those things that bugs me

I just started watching this from Ep 1 for the first time and it's amazing and I love it.

I'd say the same abt Mad Men bt I can't work out what thread to say it in

mad men definitely doesn't belong in the same conversation as the sopranos, that much is for sure

Oh don't let's start

considering it explores some of the same themes, it's written by one of the sopranos guys, and chase had a great deal w/ getting it on the air i'd say it belongs in the same conversation

mad men definitely doesn't belong in the same conversation as the sopranos, that much is for sure

― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:29 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and yet...here it is!!!!

Apparently Weiner's film is awful too. At least Terence Winter has Wolf of Wall Street and, uh, the 50 Cent movie

I just started watching this from Ep 1 for the first time and it's amazing and I love it.

― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, May 3, 2014 11:59 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't read anything in this thread.

Weiner's film is bad? :(

And yeah that ws just a "I too am freshly watching an iconic recent TV show" post, bt it does have some relevance

"is it awful? my friend gave it to me."

Awful is way harsh, the Chase and Weiner chapters are quite illuminating, the Burns/Simon chapters are dull and worthy, kind of like watching Treme.

What film did weiner make?

many overpriced ones sold exclusively in seedy storefronts iirc

You Are Here, a lame comedy with Owen Wilsen, across the board bad reviews so far.

haha he made a comedy? yeah i could see that not working

rewatched the pilot this morning on Season 1 library discs. Now, um, the next 12 eps before it's due Saturday.

Gandolfini looks trim by later standards. :/

it IS v funny btw -- the goon and the lawyer taking the deadbeat for a walk over the Paterson Falls bridge... Carmela's priest giving Gordon Willis a shoutout for the Godfathers...

what prompted you to finally get around to this

Of the cable shows ppl hype, this is the oldest and most likely to appeal to me (born & bred in NNJ).

Also I taped the first 3-4 seasons when I had HBO and just never watched the tapes.

you can totally watch Season 1 in 3 days. I have faith in you.

and see four Mizoguchi films and Pissed Jeans?

you can allow yourself toilet breaks

Jealous of Morbs for getting to experience this for the first time

yeah, this aint happening right now. Do you think i've even opened my Ford at Fox box, or the Rossellini-Bergman set I got at Christmas? noooope.

maybe I will watch the first season again for you

MORBZ

Thru 4 episodes, the therapy scenes are my least favorite. Too "on the nose." also Lorraine Bracco's diction/line readings are weird.