In case you were wondering whatever happened to him.
― Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Sunday, 7 July 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link
does the hair keep growing
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
only the soul patch, bizarrely enough
― Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
lmao this thread
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:14 (ten years ago) link
Ditching Dave was sort of an early mistake on purpose. This band really needed a great drummer, and didn't get one again until Matt. Iirc correctly, Dave was fired for being too good, basically. Like these dudes weren't already a bunch of mega-musos.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
I think Dave was fired for not really fitting in with the band, in terms of their beliefs and personalities. Glorified g was partly inspired by Dave's offhand comment that he owned a gun and thought nothing of it, which shocked Vedder.
― Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
Also, in terms of 'mistakes', I think Jack Irons was a great drummer, and his work on No Code in particular is fine.
― Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
will not take this Jack Irons slander
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
*air drums to "in my tree"* *literally can't*
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
loool i'm sure *Dave* said he was fired for being too good
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
Jack Irons on No Code unfuckwithable
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
Abruzzese has some amazing performances on Vs/Vitalogy but his rototoms and splash cymbals and stuff really were a little too flashy and cheesy for the band's sound, he coulda been in the Spin Doctors or something.
i've been meaning to make playlists of, like, the top 10 PJ songs from each of the 4 major drummers (Kruzen, Abruzzese, Irons and Cameron), i really feel like they were a different band in each of those lineups. loved Vedder's comment in the doc about how each drummer change was like a heart transplant.
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
I thought the breaking point with Dave, as reported, was when he consented to an interview with a drum mag without the band's permission.
Jack Irons is a plodder. Which perhaps suited the group, but not as well as, say, Matt Cameron or Edie Brickel's drummer.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
'plodder' isn't really right but he certainly had the right feel for some of their most Neil Young-like tracks (plus their album backing Neil himself, who had nice things to say about Irons)
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:01 (ten years ago) link
this Spin interview has most of the band, incl Dave, agreeing that it was his lack of ideological sympatico with the band that saw him leave http://www.fivehorizons.com/archive/articles/spin801.shtml
jack irons a plodder? that's unpossible!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvYVLfFZmEg
― Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
That's cool, but Dave does the exact same thing but groovier on "W.M.A."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z3t32wlItI
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
if you love dave so much why dont you marry him
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
Yesterday it was "they should have made an Automatic For The People" today it's "they should have kept Dave." Excited for tomorrow.
― da croupier, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
Look at the photos again.
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― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
"In My Tree" is so much more awesome than "W.M.A." it's almost funny
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
what's everyone's least favorite? Binaural is mine. It might be better than what I thought at the time, but in summer 2000 I was not at all in a PJ head space.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
Yea i didnt dig Binaural either
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
I like a lot of Binaural.
I think I'd go
Vitalogy > Yield > No Code > s/t > Binaural > Backspacer > Ten > Vs. > Riot Act
― Simon H., Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Riot Act for me, Binaural close second
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Vitalogy > No Code > Ten > Yield > Vs. > Binaural > Backspacer > Riot Act > s/t
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
"In My Tree" is such a jam, if we polled these guys my #1 easy, & the drumming is the main reason why: he doesn't ride the cymbals so they hit harder, and I make a rock face every time they pop
― Euler, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Riot Act just has kind of a bad vibe feel. Love Boat Captain is the only reprieve for me
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
yeah 'in my tree' is rad
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Can anything really challenge "Bushleaguer" as their worst song ever?
― Simon H., Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
why so beleaguered?
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
ugh Bushleaguer :(
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
Dudes, I never said they should have kept Dave. Just that I think they do better with a more expressive drummer.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
I also never said they should have made an album like "Automatic." I just think they might have made more interesting albums if they weren't always in rock mode. Though of course there are plenty of cool non-rock things scattered throughout the catalog.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
Like, I am at best a casual fan, but I have always been intrigued enough by the band and its potential - and actual accomplishments - to follow along.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
I never saw Dave as expressive so much as he liked to hit things hard
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:55 (ten years ago) link
some patches of his playing had soul
― some dude, Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
he had soul but he wasn't a soldier
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 July 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link
i've probably yelled about this here before but they left the best songs off of binaural. "sad" is probably my favorite pj song
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:08 (ten years ago) link
i love riot act bc it's so dark and weird and cameron seems more fused to the band but yeah it's waaaay too long
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:09 (ten years ago) link
a great song from the back half of riot act
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp48rFR92W8
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:10 (ten years ago) link
how do you leave this off a record and not feel regret about it literally all the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V-DHL9xzfI
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
I like "Green Disease." I'd like it more were it not for "G...R..EED" etc
― Simon H., Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link
haha i think it's cute
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
I'm Riot Act fan. I think it was a "cleaner" album in that some of the normally rough edges were smoothed out (and Eddie didn't yell) but despite that, I thought the songs were tightly written.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 July 2013 19:56 (ten years ago) link
I'm listening to "Backspacer" for the first time. Solid!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:00 (ten years ago) link
"The Fixer" is fun to sing in the car.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's a pretty good rocker. a few bung notes here and there (Johnny Guitar's not a favorite).
i think 'just breathe' is one of their lovelier songs, it always makes me bawl
Supersonic is my favorite
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:04 (ten years ago) link
"Just Breathe" sounds like a cousin of "Man of the Hour."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link
it does! I never thought of that
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
lol they changed the lyrics of Supersonic for one of their Seattle shows <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q90VmGGzxTY
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link