DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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^That, too. Keep an eye on who the IT contracts go to, and check their recent political donations.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 08:06 (ten years ago) link

The message being sent out to students, migrants filling skills gaps and people who want to get married to a British partner (who are pretty much the only people who can get visas these days) is "don't come here because we're horrible, horrible people".

^^^^^ this

my eventual wife (stevie), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 08:10 (ten years ago) link

^^^^ if a guest comes to your house and cuts their finger while helping you prepare dinner, only an asshole would refuse them a plaster.

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 08:39 (ten years ago) link

ffs healthcare should be a right, not a privilege

Random .mdb Memories (NotEnough), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 08:41 (ten years ago) link

The message being sent out to students, migrants filling skills gaps and people who want to get married to a British partner (who are pretty much the only people who can get visas these days) is "don't come here because we're horrible, horrible people".

Fair enough, we are horrible, horrible people

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 08:54 (ten years ago) link

I don't think we are. I think some of us are. I think it's up to the rest of us to balance that out. I'll grant you, it's hard.

my eventual wife (stevie), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:00 (ten years ago) link

I don't think most people have any objection to "genuine students", would necessarily want to keep "genuine couples" apart or want to deny services to the small number people who come to the UK to work in industries in need of highly-skilled workers. The problem is that the papers and the government have convinced them that these categories are a tiny fraction of the people coming, rather than the vast, vast majority.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:08 (ten years ago) link

Good luck with that balancing act (xp)

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:16 (ten years ago) link

wonder what percentage of british born students are genuine

conrad, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:17 (ten years ago) link

Introducing 'genuine' to describe anyone in the groups under discussion should be resisted at all costs because framing.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:42 (ten years ago) link

Breaking news: Home secretary Theresa May announces herbal stimulant qat is to become class C drug against advice of experts.

fuck the experts, what do they know anyway amirite?

Filk Hollins (NickB), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:16 (ten years ago) link

The herbal stimulant drug khat is to be banned, the BBC understands.

The decision goes against the recommendation of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), the government's official advisory body.

In January the ACMD said khat should remain a legal substance, saying there was "insufficient evidence" it caused health problems.

But Home Secretary Theresa May has decided to ban it, BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said.

An official statement is expected shortly.

Mrs May's decision is thought to be based on wider security and international considerations, in particular the use of the UK as a transit route for khat to other European countries, our correspondent said.

Khat is traditionally used by members of the Somali, Yemeni and Ethiopian communities.

Perfectly reasonable I'm sure you'd agree

Filk Hollins (NickB), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:20 (ten years ago) link

Khat is traditionally used by members of the Somali, Yemeni and Ethiopian communities.

Good enough reason innit.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:23 (ten years ago) link

They come over here, using our NHS, injecting cats

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:24 (ten years ago) link

cool, are we banning everything that the UK is a transit route for?

They've been saying that they'll ban it since 2008. Surprised they've actually got around to doing it.

afaict a lot of Somali women has asked for it to banned but idk, it's a complicated cultural issue.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:28 (ten years ago) link

*have*

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:28 (ten years ago) link

Graet, this is definitely the crew to work out the right answer on a complicated cultural issue

stet, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:36 (ten years ago) link

They come over here, using our NHS, injecting cats

Why they can't just ruin their bodies with fags and booze like the rest of us is just beyond me.

Filk Hollins (NickB), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:39 (ten years ago) link

Breaking news: Home secretary Theresa May announces herbal stimulant qat is to become class C drug against advice of experts.

Theresa May lost a game of Scrabble after opponent played a spurious looking but ligitimate word, did something about it

^ sarcasm (ken c), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link

but those were 63 points she's never getting back

^ sarcasm (ken c), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:44 (ten years ago) link

uk farmers are lucky they don't need to use any qanats

^ sarcasm (ken c), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:45 (ten years ago) link

The ACMD found "no evidence" khat [...] was directly linked with serious or organised crime.

no possibility of this changing, I'm sure.

Fanois och Alexander (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:51 (ten years ago) link

bitter lol

10zing blogay (seandalai), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 13:03 (ten years ago) link

Good thing the Home Office is upholding the Civil Service's tradition of impartiality!
https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/352411115629723648
https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/352408433506533377

Neil S, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 13:50 (ten years ago) link

Who wrote that second one, Goebbels?

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 13:55 (ten years ago) link

Probably some Special Adviser to the Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link

getting more of a moff tarkin vibe

ledge, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link

That's Grand Moff Tarkin to you.

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link

we're best pals fyi

ledge, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link

"moffie"

ledge, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link

second reply is our old mate Jonnie Marbles

reet pish (imago), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link

Jonnie Marbles OTM, obv. Am increasingly sure he was OTM first time around too

reet pish (imago), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link

ukhomeoffice The Home Office 4m
The #ImmigrationBill at a glance pic.twitter.com/zF8RJeZlXl

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:26 (ten years ago) link

k, that didn't seem to work.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link

that's the tories in at the next election in then!!!

reet pish (imago), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:30 (ten years ago) link

p_P

reet pish (imago), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link

i'm glad we're going to stop illegal immigrants accessing services they are not entitled to. that sounds like a good thing. making illegal stuff more illegal is great!

caek, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:33 (ten years ago) link

this is the real effect of UKIP on political discourse playing out IMO- an even more competitive Dutch Auction to see who can be the biggest rightwing hardman. Very depressing.

Neil S, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link

let's be real, britain: it's us (white ppl) and them (brownskins). some of them are ILLEGALS. which team are you on? #sendthemback

reet pish (imago), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link

Immigration Bill would:
- stop illegal immigrants accessing services they are not entitled to
- deport foreign national offenders except in extraordinary circumstances
- help reduce complexity of immigration law
- obtain individual building meter data

Fanois och Alexander (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link

Slightly illegal, illegal, very illegal

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link

sensible policies for a better Britain

Neil S, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link

the fucking bigoted cynicism of these cunts absolutely defies belief, and to think they'd pander to this idiot mentality for their own gain. fucking BASTARDS.

reet pish (imago), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link

makes me pine for the halcyon days when Michael Howard was the loveable face of the Home Office.

Neil S, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link

this is basically sink their boats then build them new boats let them drown

Filk Hollins (NickB), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:41 (ten years ago) link

It's interesting that Boris Johnson is basically disassociating himself from Tory policy on immigration. This stuff has proved to be a lot less popular than anticipated in the past but there's zero doubt that Miliband will be ramping up the hardman schtick as well.

I honestly don't think British people are that racist, on the whole. They know they're being fucked over by someone and the Tories are wagering that they'll be fooled into blaming immigrants rather than the people actually responsible. Could go either way.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link

makes me pine for the halcyon days when Michael Howard was the loveable face of the Home Office.

Or John Reid. Not that the Labour Party are much better.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link


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