You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4C4NiVKrXk

bald amy adams would have made a better lex luthor than lois. or bald amy ryan at least.

the problem with the last few arguments is that _all_ of the nolan batman movies have terrible scripts.

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, July 2, 2013 4:01 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

i think TDK does what it needs to do pretty well on that level. i'm not saying it's perfect, but on basic stuff like the Joker having a believable motivation, there being clear and immediate stakes, it having a nice propulsive quality that keeps the thing moving so you dont linger too much on the parts that don't work, plus the novelty of situating batman in a michael mann-style sprawling crime epic - it's good stuff imo, and definitely a step or two above the languid and dramatically inert TDKR

Wow, that long H4A post is A+, belongs in the canon.

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

a bunch of those observations are my friend's. i kinda had this vague feeling that the movie was anti-human and creepy but he crystallized it for me w/how all those little moments add up

i think TDK does what it needs to do pretty well on that level. i'm not saying it's perfect, but on basic stuff like the Joker having a believable motivation, there being clear and immediate stakes, it having a nice propulsive quality that keeps the thing moving so you dont linger too much on the parts that don't work, plus the novelty of situating batman in a michael mann-style sprawling crime epic - it's good stuff imo, and definitely a step or two above the languid and dramatically inert TDKR

i haven't seen (and won't see) TDKR but I thought the cross-cut climax of TDK was just horrible

anti-human cinema feels like a pop thing right now...?

on this radio movie review show, the hosts really liked this movie because it reminded them of the thrill of video games and really liked how everyone was badass, especially zaora, who they were rooting for to beat up superman. They also compared it fondly to dragonballZ.
The hosts didn't seem like bad or anti-human people. These were just their honest reactions.

don't see a problem with those feelings

zaora was cool, i agree

better than i expected, and perhaps my favorite of the recent spate of stern, serious-minded superhero films. ridiculous, of course, and far too often drearily earnest, but the production design, special effects and action sequences were sufficiently spectacular to drag me through all the portentous moping. as beautiful (in its way) as prometheus, but not half so risibly moronic. supporting players did carry the film, though. cavill and adams bland and irritating, respectively.

Man, given some of Snyder's comments here I shudder to think what he would have been like without Nolan et al telling him what to do

http://www.empireonline.com/features/man-of-steel-secrets/p1

[Note: Long-time Super-producer Jon Peters has wanted an armed polar bear fight outside the Fortress of Solitude in a Superman movie, and in Man Of Steel, he finally gets his wish. Well, in a way...]

Zack Snyder: "Unfortunately there was no battle. It was funny because when I was drawing the storyboards I was laughing to myself, drawing the thing. We didn’t shoot it but I had drawn it as this dolly move where we were with a polar bear and he’s lumbering across the ice and he finally jumps and leaps and splashes into the water. It proved to be a lot more difficult to photograph than I had imagined, and I definitely did not want to do a CG polar bear.

"So in the film that is IMAX footage that we got from this documentary about the polar regions. They spent six months on a Russian icebreaker looking for polar bears and we just weren’t gonna do that. We had it worked out that we were going to bring the polar bear and put all these ice floes on stage and shoot him with a green screen behind.

"We were training him physically to leap - we were training a polar bear to jump from ice floe to ice floe. It was also dangerous to film him. There’s only one guy who has a polar bear in Canada, and as we talked to him about it, things got more and more dodgy. It sounded really easy at first. He was like, ‘Oh yeah, just put him over there and he’ll jump in, but no one can be in the room, and you have to put these electric things around so he won’t murder everyone.’ I said, ‘Has this bear been trained? Are we safe?’ And he said, ‘You’re safe. Unless of course he sees you, or he notices something shiny like a flash of light or something.’ In film production, that stuff happens all the time. So he goes, ‘Yeah, there is a chance he could maul us all but...’ And I said, 'Maybe this is not what we should be doing.' Then we found the footage and it was okay."

Jor-El has this robot called Kelex [voiced by Carla Gugino]

whoa

yeah, i kept wondering who the voice was as I was watching the movie. nice cameo

We have already had a cinematic armed polar bear throw down in a terrible movie (golden compass)

anti-human cinema feels like a pop thing right now...?

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 14:51 (6 days ago) Permalink

Good.

huzzah!

looking forward to superman/daftpunk team-up to fight braniac.

I finally watched this tonight, and I'll stan for pretty much any superhero film - I even found things to like in Green Lantern, believe it or not - but this was a gigantic ball of suck from start to finish. I think I might even have walked out of the cinema if I'd paid to see it.

Villain woman saved it for me ;)

i made it through 75% maybe? p boring movie

Waiting for rifftrax

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cockships best part of movie imo

Russell Crowe dying was the best, but that's not exclusive to this film so

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i liked the first 15 minutes and its weird hysterical scifi stuff

*krshhst* send in reinforcements, over
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Finally saw this, not much I can say that hasn't already been said, movie is eminently forgettable. Krypton stuff was OK, best scene of Clark was him getting overwhelmed by his powers in school. Noticed this way upthread:

What HfA said about the ending. It's not Reeve, but it's quiet humor that works. I actually really liked the fact that they make Lois Not An Idiot because she doesn't fall for the glasses thing for a second.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:30 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lois knew he was Clark Kent from about the hour mark on!

yeah, definitely one of the better choices they made that she discovers his secret ID off the bat

Exact same thing happens in Green Lantern. I'd have enjoyed it more in Man of Steel if it wasn't one of many indications that Snyder, Goyer and Nolan were basically ashamed to be making a Superman movie and fighting against the character every step of the way.

i figure a real superman would have as much chance of being overcome with bitterness as being totally righteous. unlike, say, batman, who's really just a good samaritan in costume, superman has real powers. and there's always terrible things happening. if he's really trying to save everyone, he'd never get any sleep or time for himself; someone is always endangered. he'd probably either go mad from the inability to save everyone, everywhere, or he'd say "f--k it," or he'd become totally bitter at everyone's constant demands of him. now that's the superman story worth telling.

p.s., my wife and i just saw most of the 2013 man of steel movie. it's kind of boring, cuz superman is kind of boring.

Feel like anything can be boring, in the hands of the wrong filmmakers.

it's kind of boring, cuz superman is kind of boring.

you think All-Star and For The Man and Siegel and Weisinger covers are boring?

This was a decent movie, nothing special but I don't really get the "worst movie ever produced" reaction on this thread, particularly in a world where the Affleck Daredevil movie exists.

fuck that, Superman's awesome and Superman II is one of my fav flicks ever.

this movie blew because it was just Superman Pathos for the first half and video game action for the second half. I do think it's kinda LOL that it takes presumably hundreds of thousands of civilians dying before Supes thinks it's a good idea to break his 'not killing people' rule.

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it wasn't off the rails terrible, no. It was well made in parts and I liked the opening. I think part of my annoyance was that I had many friends that crapped on Iron Man 3 over really nitpicky shit and stanned for this and it was like...really?

Well that's dumb, IM3 was way more fun/enjoyable than this

I liked the opening but otherwise Man Of Steel is one of the worst films I've ever sat through

totally. idk, I'm generally one that hates mining people's thought processes when they like something I don't cuz it feels a bit condescending, but fuck it i'm doing it anyway....

obv it wasn't a critical success, but in regards to the audience-drooling, part of me wonders if some of their love for this film was propped up by how middling Superman Returns was. Superman flicks were events in the 80s, even the shitty ones (I remember seeing Superman IV in the theatre as a 7 year old and being excited about it). The franchise was resurrected in the mid-2000s for this slight, kinda-emo Superman film that has only tentative connections to the rest of the film series and now is relegated to the 5.99 or less bin at MovieStop, and summarily forgotten.

I think it made a lot of people hungry for a more substantive Supes film and this one dared to redo the origin story and had a long-lasting action climax that had more heft than Brandon Routh's final boss battle with a chunk of kryptonite.

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Will say that The logic holds up in that the initial esteem for Superman Returns Owing Child Support was somewhat in response to The Quest For Peace

MAN OF SHIT

though the logic of "Superman flicks were events in the 80s, even the shitty ones" being "(I remember seeing Superman IV in the theatre as a 7 year old and being excited about it)" shows that we're all a little skewed on the subject, imo

who can forget when the simpsons had kids excited about seeing the event film barton fink

just fyi

Superman box office: $134m
Superman II b.o.: 108m
Superman III b.o.: 60m
Superman IV b.o.: 15.5m

ouch! knew it was a turkey but didn't know Supes IV did THAT bad!

adjusted for inflation i & ii are still the biggest superman movies ever, but III & IV are well below the reboots

the wikipedia page for peace is awesome

In 1983, following the mixed-to-negative reaction to Superman III, Reeve and the producers, Alexander Salkind and his son Ilya, assumed that the Superman films had run their course.[9] Reeve was slated to make a cameo in 1984's Supergirl but was unavailable; the film was a box-office failure. Two years later, Ilya Salkind sold the Superman franchise to Golan & Globus of Cannon Films.[10]

According to Jon Cryer, who played Lex Luthor's nephew Lenny, Reeve had taken him aside just before the release and told him it was going to be "terrible". Although Cryer enjoyed working with Reeve and Gene Hackman, Cryer claimed that Cannon ran out of money ahead of time and ultimately released an unfinished movie.[11]