To "rock fans", what is meant to be the canonical, everyone can agree on, album of the decade?

to the ongoing and extremely important question of foo fighters, the reason gaydiohead win out over FF (and strokes and other FF bands named after things related to wars and maybe even white strhipes) = rockism. it's not about having fans or radioplay or chart hits, though those matter - it's about artistic artistry, breaking new ground, the cutting age, and being seriously important for reasons to be enumerated, etc. that's what makes bands not just present or remembered, but symbolic, iconic.

the reason that led zep IV and london calling seem to bookend the 70s (not that they're alone in that) isn't just sales or hooks or fans, it's that there's a narrative of significance attached to each. they're not just collections of songs, they're expressions tapping into something "valuable". this narrative is super dominant and self-supporting at this point. like the foo fighters, bachman turner overdrive, BOC and grand funk sold records, rocked stadiums, authored extremely classic tunes that will live in history for all the days of mankind. but they never managed to create an aura of almost holy "artistic importance" around themselves. so they're not enshrined in the decade-defining cubbyholes of history. they're just these bands, see.

radiohead have done this, as did nirvana in the 90s, and maybe kinda NIN? sonic youth? kyuss? suspect that the slowly increasing importance of the latter will sneak rated R & songs for the deaf into the decade-definement biz (as also-rans) long before foo fighterses. who will be remembered as record your dad had, plus maybe it was that guy from nirvana.

As the thread title calls upon "rock fans" rather than rock fans, I have nothing to add except to agree that "rock fans" would certainly favour Radiohead, while rock fans would probably prefer something more like one of Motorhead's or Killing Joke's last two albums.

. . . Or maybe it's because Foo Fighters suck.

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contenderizer otm until he started talking about kyuss

while rock fans would probably prefer something more like one of Motorhead's or Killing Joke's last two albums.

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no, you're thinking of "real rock" fans, which as far as i can tell is some kind of drug cult, but i understand the confusion

i <3 kyuss, it makes me think wrong

whiney consistenly otm. i dont get this thread really, as we're all being a bit retarded if we (1) honestly think there's a record or band that can actually claim to unite any substantial majority of rock fans and (2) are really giving dom's trolly thread 100+ posts

consistently*

NEVER FORGET PART 2

When the best-of-the-decade lists start popping up in 10 months or so, these are the 8 albums that will be mentioned the most frequently in publications read by "rock fans":

The Strokes: Is This It
Bob Dylan: Love and Theft
Radiohead: Kid A
Emimen: Marshall Mathers LP
Green Day: American Idiot
Outkast: Either Stankonia or Speakerboxxx
White Stripes: Elephant (should be White Blood Cells)
MIA: Kala

Blue collar local guys will vouch for Green Day, Eminem, and Foos but not White Stripes and Strokes

I hope it's Arular

korn's list seems reasonable, and when it gets all esspanded out like that, it seems reasonable to rope in more not-so-entirely-crit-friendly stuff, like MCR's the black parade, SoaD's toxicity, tool's lateralus, fall out boy's infinity on high and i dunno, whatever the fuck U2 and REM did this decade. that one with beautiful day.

plus some coldplay record or other

plus what else? deftones' white pony might once have been a runner-up, but they never followed it up properly, interest died. QotSA: songs for the deaf, shoo in, duh. that 1st franz ferd lp, yah. HOF's blessed black wings? liars' they were wrong, so we drownded? maybe that next liars has more fans tho. i dunno, do people still rate mogwai records? mclusky do dallas? isis' oceanic?

I care way too much about questions like these and even I think this one's a lost cause.

there must be other rock musics that people will feel inclined to list (other than guaranteed winners test icicles, babyshambles and creed, of course). hold steady's first couple, gossip's standing in the way of control, maybe all hands on the bad one (or is that too late 90s?), maybe boris' pink. hives veni, vidi, vicious. noisy skeng from blood brothers, battles, lightning bolts, etc. black dice beaches & canyons. are animal collective a "rock band"? were they ever? what about hot chip? is is ridiculous to think that the exploding hearts will get a few sympathy points here and there? does anybody else like that "little razorblade song"? god, there have to be about a hundred more...

matos: well, yeah

spoon, shins (and post-shins/death cab development of fleet foxes type bearded west coast amerindie), eome of yr more time-honored wilco and ted leo records, arcade fire (really?), but i dunno if gorillas were ever a proper band, and didn't they used to have a arctic monkeys over there that they were quite excited about, or was that related the whole test icicles fiasco? BLACK ONE.

O_o

Considering by this point in the 90s there were at least 10-15 nailed on straight into the canon big rock albums, this decade really doesn't seem to have produced many. I think this *might* have something to do with the decline of the album as a physical format.

Kid A feels like an end-of-the-90s album more than a beginning-of-the-00s one - pretty much the last time anyone dropped Warp as a hip influence. Elephant seems like as good a call as any, in that crucial 'recognisable from the very first note' way.

In twenty years, when people are asked to name the biggest rock band of the 00's, they're going to say Coldplay and you all know it. If you're looking for a rock band that "united the masses" this decade (kids and grandmas know their songs, they're the rock band it's OK for R&B fans to like), then look no further.

Wow Contenderizer. Just...wow

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Foo Fighters seem like a pretty good call: omnipresent, neither really objectionable not terribly memorable, kind of rock ambience of the period. The sort of thing that only becomes obvious with the distance of a decade or so.

"Neither really objectionable not terribly memorable" does not equal canonical, not by a long shot.

err, isn't this thread about the album, not the band of the decade ?

You're right. But "Neither really objectionable not terribly memorable" is what you end up with when you talk about "everyone can agree on". Canonical can be something else again.

Dunno, if "Nevermind" was the one for a previous decade, it's neither of those things...

Dudes, when people say things like "everyone can agree", they do not actually mean everyone.

Well, even "Happy Birthday to you" can be counted as canonical, and yet people get depressed by it. It's memorable, though...

ok, definitely the 2000s failed to have an 'album of the decade'. it's official. it's 2009.

people badmouth the 90s, but Nevermind and OK Computer were there. and you didn't have to like these albuns to accept the fact either one was THE album of the 90s. I'm not talking about personal opinion here.

but 'Is this it'? 'Elephant'? Even Kid A it's hard to defend without using some brainy argument.

brainy argument for Kid A:

the anti-tunes are as good as the tunes, man.

Argh argh argh we're taking Dom's lolthread seriously

brainy argument for Kid A:

the anti-tunes are as good as the tunes, man.

ok then. Kid A, the album of 2000s

Too much Kid A in this thread, not enough Kid Rock.

I'd say OK ComputerDevil Without a Cause.

Who said the album of the 00s actually had to be from the 00s?

Actually, I'd probably say "Hybrid Theory" by Linkin Park.

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another music forum came up with this list:

The Ondarock Forum Best Albums of the 00s
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/ondarockforum/the_ondarock_forum_best_albums_of_the_00s

153 album listed

note: number 1:
Kid A
Radiohead
Kid A (2000)

Blue collar local guys will vouch for Green Day, Eminem, and Foos but not White Stripes and Strokes

― i'm pretty sure that's not what he meant by twinky train (los blue jeans), Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:06 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rong

Return to Sucky Mountain?

Yankee Hotel Sucktrot?

Fuck all of you.

I think this decade more than ever the gulf between the established music media [print, radio, tv] and what is going outside the mainstream has grown wider.

Just look at the crap that has been mentioned on this thread, The Hives [retro bucket wrenching crap], Queens of the Stone Age [one trick pony riff merchants], Foo Fighters [making the same radio friendly album over and over again], The Strokes [simpleton music for college kids], White Stripes [rather limited and one dimensional], The Darkness [comedy rock], the Shins [tedious indie rock drivel], The Hold Steady [trad rock tripe that needs a good critical bashing]

All the bands you just mentioned are good except for The Hold Steady.

Queens of the Stone Age [one trick pony riff merchants]

This one is just rong rong rong.

the Shins [tedious indie rock drivel]

Goddamnit Chutes Too Narrow is not tedious or drivel.. If this is honestly what people think, then why did any of you bother listening to any rock since 2000?

I think the best straight-up rock album since 2000 is Gimme Fiction, but I'm not sure if I count as a "rock fan.."

Does anybody wanna give me an OTM on Linkin Park? I think I fucking nailed it!

you listen to the wrong type of rock

try: Ephel Duath, Agalloch, Negura Bunget, Isis, Miriodor, Supersilent, Scott Walker, Ulver, Cave In, Dark Tranquillity, Earthtone 9, Neurosis

yay!

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