Tuomas on the money in this case
― for many people a really special folder makes a huge difference (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
Tuomas:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman#Personal_life
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link
Ah, okay. I read Amanda Palmer's Wikipedia page, and it seems she's some sort of an attention-seeker? Is Sic suggesting Gaiman has become an attention-seeker too, now that he's married to her?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 06:36 (ten years ago) link
It's not the seeking as much as the getting - the levels of self-absorption apparent in the recent Guardian interview are more relevant to sic's joke, which has been thoroughly beaten to death by now.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 08:54 (ten years ago) link
I kind of want Tuomas to watch The Wright Way and read the Ben Elton thread now.
― Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 10:38 (ten years ago) link
Must start 'Explain these clusterfuck threads to Tuomas' thread on secret board ILILX.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 10:42 (ten years ago) link
Or possibly on the higher-traffic IHILX.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 10:43 (ten years ago) link
Tuo, you're a beloved poster and a cherished member of the ilx community. You should read the Amanda Palmer thread, starting maybe a year back into it, and next time it pops up, join in the discourse.
― how's life, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 10:52 (ten years ago) link
i will never, ever understand US ilxors' fascination with some C-list goth of negligible fame and less interest
― for many people a really special folder makes a huge difference (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:11 (ten years ago) link
Or Amanda Palmer.
― Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 12:16 (ten years ago) link
for many people a really special fingernail clipping makes a huge difference
― the gospel of meth (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2013 03:14 (ten years ago) link
so this is happeninghttp://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/12/joseph-gordon-levitt-sandman-movie
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
still skeptical
― Nhex, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
Not sure why, but I can't imagine this going well at all.
― ruth rendell writing as (askance johnson), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link
Sandman is unfilmable, and WB is a joke of a company with no respect for its IP. Wouldn't be surprised if the final product (which probably still won't happen) resembles Constantine.
― The He-Man-O-Centric Worlds of She-Ra (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:35 (ten years ago) link
oh wow there's a producer attached to a Sandman movie for the first time ever
― giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 22:18 (ten years ago) link
surely the Wachowskis will line up for this crapfest
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 23:46 (ten years ago) link
brett ratner or gtfo imo
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 December 2013 07:48 (ten years ago) link
Still think the only way this might work is as a TV series. Chuck Lorre, anyone?
― The He-Man-O-Centric Worlds of She-Ra (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 December 2013 12:35 (ten years ago) link
David Goyer, stop working
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 19 December 2013 12:35 (ten years ago) link
Still think the only way this might work is as a TV series
you'll note the current version of this non-movie is called Prelude
― giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Thursday, 19 December 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
Deeply ambivalent about this.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
If they wind up doing Preludes & Nocturnes, I can see them really playing up the videogame-y quest aspect of Morpheus tracking down his tools. V unlikely to see 24 Hour Diner Meltdown in a movie that's likely to be PG-13. I feel exactly the same about this as I did about adaptations of Watchmen, From Hell, Hellblazer, etc.: No.
― Throat Loaf (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
If it were me I'd find a way to jump straight to A Doll's House, P&N is the worst book of the series.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 20 December 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link
Fingers crossed for an appearance by Keanu Reeves as John Constantine.
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 20 December 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link
(and a cameo from Ben Affleck as Batman, obviously)
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 20 December 2013 14:00 (ten years ago) link
Miley Cyrus as Death, plz
― Throat Loaf (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
(Actually, she might not make a terrible Delirium.)
― Throat Loaf (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
That would be pretty brilliant.
xp, Death becomes her
― WilliamC, Friday, 20 December 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
there's no real sexy goth hippie equivalent these days is there
― Nhex, Friday, 20 December 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
http://thematerialsleuth.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/die-antwoord-4.jpg
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
just heavier on the creepy and the afrikaner accent than you would've expected, can totally see WB taking that tact
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
gah what is that
― Nhex, Friday, 20 December 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
be nice, i like yolandihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolandi_Visser
― Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
The writing in issue one of Overture is pretty damn bad. Maybe Sandman was always bad? Haven't re-read it for maybe ten years.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 24 October 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
Sandman doesn't really bear a lot of re-reading ime. It's construction was p novel at the time - all these seemingly disconnected strands weaving in and out - but it's not really something with a lot of depth and a lot of the art is terrible.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 24 October 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link
let me add to that - the art is really, really terrible
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 24 October 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
I've been re-reading Sandman for the first time in 20 years and it's better than I remember. His over-writing has dated better than Alan Moore's over-writing. It's still terribly precious. But the bad stuff isn't as bad as I thought it would be. And A Doll's House is still terrific fun.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 24 October 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
His over-writing has dated better than Alan Moore's over-writing.
Oh come now, Moore>>>>>>>>Gaiman.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 24 October 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
No, I agree with you! Gaiman is third-tier compared to Moore. I'm thinking more of things like the text panels in Swamp Thing, which are atrocious. Although I suppose Gaiman gets away with a lot of indulgence for me, because I'd rather look at a paragraph of Todd Klein than a paragraph of John Costanza.
Re: Overture - I don't want to rep for it as a great work of comics or anything, but it's a lot more fun than Century or Neonomicon.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 24 October 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
I'm getting back into reading Sandman and forgot how enjoyable it is.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:32 (nine years ago) link
Not a huge comics fan but after a few years of Alan Moore devotion I eventually got fed up of his constant literary eulogising and cthulu references. Maybe it was the latest crappy League albums but they were like a curates egg in a way. Will always rep for his best stuff but he's fallible,you know? And sandman is a lot of fun in its way. I've only read Prologue,Dolls House and I'm onot Seasons of Most now.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:36 (nine years ago) link
You shouldn't skip the shorts in between.
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Saturday, 25 October 2014 06:18 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki
Got miles better and more consistent roughly halfway through the run, thankfully.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
[Sandman doesn't really bear a lot of re-reading ime. It's construction was p novel at the time - all these seemingly disconnected strands weaving in and out - but it's not really something with a lot of depth and a lot of the art is terrible.
been re-reading the entire run recently, including the books I haven't read since they were initially published in monthly comics form, and this is still pretty much how I feel. For every "oh that's clever" mythological recontextualization conceit there's a ton of precious gothic mopey posing or hamfisted repetition of themes/plot points and omg some of the art is SO BAD. Hempel, P. Craig Russell and a handful of others acquit themselves well but man there is a lot of just sloppy scratchy poorly colored bullshit. Story-wise one of the things I find annoying about it is how mechanical and fatalistic it is - there are rules, and things various beings have to do, and that's just the way it is, and then it happens, and then it's over. The lack of agency on the part of so many characters, while obviously clearly rooted in some of the mythological traditions Gaiman is so fond of pillaging, also makes any real emotional engagement with the material difficult. It's very clockwork. I kinda don't give a shit about any of them except for Hob Gadling, maybe the only genuinely relatable/realistic character in the whole thing.
It is interesting to me that while this is the work that established him, judging from my personal anecdotal experience and the various other ilx threads, he managed to become a kind of cutesy goth cottage industry with a variety of points of entry for both comics and non-comics fans alike.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 11 August 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
Has gaiman done anything worthwhile in years? Last efforts of his I tried were that rubbish Batman funeral nonsense and the first issue of Sandman Overture, which I couldn't be arsed going on with. Prosewise, Anansi Boys was enough for me to bail.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 13 August 2017 10:03 (six years ago) link
His short prose stories are still often good.
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 13 August 2017 10:16 (six years ago) link
Anansi boys is a terrible pun. Book was ok.
The YA one about the pond (?) was forgettable. Downhill all the way after the first chapter.
I've just bought the Norse Mythology thing cheap on Amazon, am hoping that's better.
― koogs, Sunday, 13 August 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
I am really enjoying his current adaptation of american gods with russell and hampton. Didnt read the book tho.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 13 August 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
russell and hampton
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― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 13 August 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link