if i'm lucky i think i'm never ever ever gonna watch this
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 July 2013 07:50 (ten years ago) link
booming post h4a.
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 1 July 2013 08:19 (ten years ago) link
that post almost makes it worth having seen this thing
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 1 July 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link
great post H4A. you articulate nicely what is "off" about this superman, his origin and motivations, and how he feels different from previous incarnations of the character. he really did seem much too shallow and one-dimensional to trust with all of that power.
― Stately, plump Buck Mulligan came from the (Treeship), Monday, 1 July 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
i'd love it if they had luthor as an all's-fair-in-finance-and-war libertarian who rightfully sees superman as a pathetic fascist who's arbitrarily pro-America because he's "from Kansas," fighting Supes through channels he can't just punch through (which would force the action sequences to be more about disaster prevention and puppy saving). But really I don't have a lot of faith in the creative team to pull that off and not just have Brainiac or somebody blow up the city again.
― da croupier, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
Snyder's Metropolis =
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3209334/no-no-no-no-o.gif
― Neanderthal, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
H4A otm x 10000000000000
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Monday, 1 July 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
the more i think about that nolan quote the more ridiculous it is... "i could never accept the idea that superman would kill anyone... until a writer took the unprecedented step of creating a scene in which a bad guy threatens some innocents."
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 04:07 (ten years ago) link
i didn't realize the significance of that moment in the theater. i was more mystified as to why superman was conflicted about killing zod at that point.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 04:50 (ten years ago) link
totally understandable, as they don't give any indication that Superman actually cares about killing or Zod's life or being the last of his race or anything
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 04:58 (ten years ago) link
i really don't get why they couldn't have squeezed something about that into the movie, but like i said, this is also the movie where his dad dies saving the family dog
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
that wasn't so weird. i would run into a tornado for my dog. she is the realest dude i know.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 05:09 (ten years ago) link
H4A OTM
i'm never sure how a movie ends up this incoherent on the level of character development/design. is there just no real guiding intelligence at work? or was the script just reworked and reworked and edited by committee until it's just a big palimpsest?
i mean, i was wonderfully distracted by much of this movie. i left feeling light enough. but it just doesn't withstand a moment's scrutiny if you're looking for some kind of characterological (yes, that's a word) coherence. i feel much the same about the two nolan batman films i've seen.
aren't screenwriters interested in coherent patterns, motifs, elegant narrative design, etc.? how does a screenwriter sign his name to something like this proudly?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 07:32 (ten years ago) link
"Man Of Steel: A Redemptive Reading" (by the dude who's been doing an excrutiatingly detailed, pomo deconstruction on all 50 years of Dr. Who)"
http://www.philipsandifer.com/2013/07/man-of-steel-redemptive-reading.html
― Dunham Wallet (zero of the signified), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 08:31 (ten years ago) link
Preview from the sequel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p671JaPTdbI
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
xp amateurist, i had this same conversation with someone after seeing dark knight rises. these superhero movies are great in so many ways: perfectly choreographed fight scenes, adept manipulation of the audience's emotions through editing and soundtrack etc. but their screenplays are often deeply incompetent. in dkr, bane's motivation for destroying gotham was totally stupid, considering the fact that he didn't even like ra's al ghul, and rachel wouldn't be around to appreciate him after he blew up gotham anyway. beside that, nothing we saw about bane indicated that he was that sentimental, and even so, it's doubtful someone could have the motivation to plan a terrorist attack that elaborate when they aren't enthusiastic about the governing ideology anyway.
this is strange to me, as it seems like getting a solid batman or superman script together would be the easiest part of the filmmaking process.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link
the answer probably lies in the fact that it's also the easiest element of the film for everyone involved to fuck with
― Thelema & Louise (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link
i would never accuse christopher nolan of creating "perfectly choreographed fight scenes" but you're totally right about bane's ridiculous motivation, i never got why he didn't LOVE batman for killing the guy who kept him away from his true love??
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah lost me at "perfectly choreographed fight scenes"
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
Seth Rogen's commentary about Green Hornet seems appropriate here
"It's weird what risks they're willing to take. The script is under great scrutiny, the lines, the characters, the dialogue, he should have a father, it should be this, it should be that. We just wanted to get it made and not waste all this time. And then things like the action sequences, which is really where all the money's getting spent, go under no scrutiny whatsoever. No one looks at it. No one looks at the pre-vis. No one looks at the storyboards. What we spent like literally $50 million dollars on, no one checks out. And that's whats crazy. The way the money was spent and the way the money is spent on a lot of these movies is crazy.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
or basically Jon Lewis otm
The script is under great scrutiny, the lines, the characters, the dialogue, he should have a father, it should be this, it should be that
this bit doesn't seem appropriate tbh...
― kinder, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
well it's under great scrutiny by people who aren't writers! or creative!
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
the script SHOULD be under the most scrutiny
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
by creative people, yes. Not by rando producers and backers and people with no idea how to write a story.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
sorry, quote's out of context. Rogen's saying the movie is under great scrutiny by producers/backers/studio.
that seems otm. i don't know if it accounts for the dark knight rises, though, as it was my impression that nolan had a great deal of creative control over that film.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
Haha well THAT accounts for TDKR
― sjuttiosju_u (wins), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Man of Steel really reinforces for me that the safest way to make a good superhero movie is to secretly make it some other kind of movie dressed up like a superhero movie. (Which helps to explain why imo TDK > TDKR and Iron Man 3 > Iron Man 2 and, for me, 1.)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
what? TDK i guess i could see the argument but Iron Man 3 was a superhero movie to the max
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
sure but it felt just as much like a standard Shane Black shit-talking buddy cop / action flick to me.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Iron Man 3 had a major 80's action/buddy cop vibe going on
X-post
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
Iron man 3 had a lot of action/buddy cop stuff but c'mon there were some A+ superhero setpieces, like the mid-air rescue and the suit ballet
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
woops, sorry, should have read further up - the point being that it was BOTH superhero movie and something else, I get it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, exactly. TDK worked for me 'cause Nolan was cribbing hardcore from Heat and stuff like that while merging it pretty well with a comic-book universe. Helps that the outside influence seemed to ground the action sequences somewhat. Whereas TDKR and MOS play it too straight. (Not their only problems, obv.)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link
Man of Steel did try to play up the scifi elements of the Superman mythos which was kind of interesting but like everything else in the movie it gets lost among the endless scenes of destruction and superpunching
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
So u guys arr saying a superhero movie has to keep its identity secret
― sjuttiosju_u (wins), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:30 (ten years ago) link
Heh
― lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link
totally off-topic but having not listened to that song in over two decades, how did this lame revamp of groove is in the heart/bust a move get airplay
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:36 (ten years ago) link
savvy arsenio hall tie-in iirc
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSSxNpJy_0
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
xxpost and megasuperhero flick THE AVENGERS was of course cribbing from
http://img3.douban.com/view/photo/photo/public/p790329864.jpg
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
wow, roseanne had a prime time cartoon? completely forgot about that
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
the problem with the last few arguments is that _all_ of the nolan batman movies have terrible scripts.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
I did love the cheesy moment when scientist guy had to explain to everyone else in the room what "terraforming" was. Guessing in Metropolis world, it was some alternative reality where nerds and nerd-lit didn't exist.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:03 (ten years ago) link
I also loved restaurant bully's reaction to seeing his destroyed Semi atop a telephone poll, as his reaction is more "damn I shouldnta ticked THAT guy off" rather than "HOW THE FUCK DID MY TRUCK GET UP THERE"
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:04 (ten years ago) link
haha.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link
haha ya that made no sense, you want to see superman use his powers in some witty "wha?????" way, not just like trash a dude's truck
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:31 (ten years ago) link
this is good imo: http://samkriss.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/superman-man-of-steel-or-hot-xxx-drone-on-drone-action/
― My god. Pure ideology. (ey), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link