defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

a thing that exists xp

heh, yeah, i remember that wiki article really blowing my mind in 10th grade

it's....not a very coherent ideology

kinda bummed that a hoos thought he had to post that for me tbh

just like man up and go full maoist or go home imo

cf black flame, the existence of competing ideas under a name with disputed claims doesn't make the strain with a historical claim to legitimacy incoherent

but that's another thread

socialists want to fix the government, iatee... fix it BUT GOOD

idk it's interesting how infrequently that narrative comes out

hate the government reading yr emails ur gonna love the government telling you where to work

thx to this thread i always mentally interpose a "fuckin" whenever i read this dude's name

mordy fucking mordy

the dead man switch would make an awesome tom ripley novel scenario ~

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/reuters-article-dead-man-s-switch

The oft-repeated claim that Snowden's intent is to harm the US is completely negated by the reality that he has all sorts of documents that could quickly and seriously harm the US if disclosed, yet he has published none of those. When he gave us the documents he provided, he repeatedly insisted that we exercise rigorous journalistic judgment in deciding which documents should be published in the public interest and which ones should be concealed on the ground that the harm of publication outweighs the public value. If his intent were to harm the US, he could have sold all the documents he had for a great deal of money, or indiscriminately published them, or passed them to a foreign adversary. He did none of that.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

this is pretty amazing

Mr. Miranda, 28, was questioned about the curious cargo shorts he wears in every photo extant of him and his partner Greenwald

absolutely disgusting

yeah. really shocking. v curious to hear about the fallout, it seems stunningly confrontational, & at such a heated moment.

according to twitter, in the UK the rent-a-cops (or whatever you'd like to call the airport security) don't even need suspicion to detain someone for 9 hours, under their antiterrorism statute

This fucking thread title never ceases to annoy me.

has greenwald been back to the US since the snowden stuff started?

nah, he even skyped in to conference he'd been scheduled to keynote in chicago

nine fucking hours

what assholes

really just so dumb

crazy they have his stuff.

This is pretty shitty but goddamn it Greenwald please stop writing things like "This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ."

STOP MINDREADING THE INTENTIONS OF BUREAUCRATS, GLENN. I strongly suspect the reality of the situation was somewhere NEAR what he says but shading ever-so-slightly towards "stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere. I think. I guess. But I'm not going to write that in a newspaper unless I can prove it. That never stops Glenn. He knows what everyone is thinking.

Those stopped have no automatic right to legal advice and it is a criminal offence to refuse to co-operate with questioning under schedule 7

this is fucking crazy.

I strongly suspect the reality of the situation was somewhere NEAR what he says but shading ever-so-slightly towards "stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds"

but like, 9 hours? specifically asking about his reporting?

Did he ever get his phone and laptop back?

That never stops Glenn. He knows what everyone is thinking.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 12:17 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup

Did he ever get his phone and laptop back?

It sounds like not? Which is like, stealing, by most definitions???

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.

I just don't see how they can do they if the guy hasn't been charged. It's not like a bag of weed. It's a USB stick.

at borders they can pretty much just take stuff generally

part of why they went out of business

they're still chill at barnes & noble tho

xpost dammit

tracer it's in one of the articles that less than 1% of airport detentions under the same provisions last for the full 9 hours

"stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere = this is the 0.1%

i would certainly be interested in knowing who gave the order

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-xB_tkBXOw00/UR1cnnmfB2I/AAAAAAAAa3g/VKgKt-edapc/Jack-Nicolson-you-cant-handle-the-tr.jpg?imgmax=800

turns out it was snowden

xp dammit

n/m cant handle it

This is a country, like the US, without a bill of rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998

this is almost certainly illegal, it's just it would take years for any actual ruling affirming it

"stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere = this is the 0.1%

OK sure, maybe, who knows, but Greenwald just goes ahead and says it like it's cast-iron truth that the (UK?) AUTHORITIES are sending a MESSAGE to JOURNALISTS to TREAD LIGHTLY. i mean really? is that really what the UKBA are doing? or are they just power-hungry bastards who thought they smelled a tip that confidential info might be crossing a border and figured they'd put the guy through the wringer? if they were the kind of illuminati that greenwald makes them out to be they'd have realized a mile away that giving dude this kind of treatment would reap nothing but shit

I dunno. I might be scared of dating a Greenwald in the future?

OK sure, maybe, who knows, but Greenwald just goes ahead and says it like it's cast-iron truth that the (UK?) AUTHORITIES are sending a MESSAGE to JOURNALISTS to TREAD LIGHTLY. i mean really? is that really what the UKBA are doing? or are they just power-hungry bastards who thought they smelled a tip that confidential info might be crossing a border and figured they'd put the guy through the wringer? if they were the kind of illuminati that greenwald makes them out to be they'd have realized a mile away that giving dude this kind of treatment would reap nothing but shit

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 12:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are describing the same thing twice, only in the second scenario they aren't as good at it

the ukba being retards and the ukba having authorization from the home office or equivalent are not mutually exclusive possibilities

or are they just power-hungry bastards who thought they smelled a tip that confidential info might be crossing a border and figured they'd put the guy through the wringer?

How is this different than indeed sending a message to tread lightly?!