step 1 spend your life promoting government paranoia step 2 socialism
― iatee, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
a thing that exists xp
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
heh, yeah, i remember that wiki article really blowing my mind in 10th grade
― flopson, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
it's....not a very coherent ideology
― iatee, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
kinda bummed that a hoos thought he had to post that for me tbh
― k3vin k., Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
just like man up and go full maoist or go home imo
― flopson, Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
cf black flame, the existence of competing ideas under a name with disputed claims doesn't make the strain with a historical claim to legitimacy incoherent
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
but that's another thread
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
socialists want to fix the government, iatee... fix it BUT GOOD
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 June 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
idk it's interesting how infrequently that narrative comes out
― iatee, Sunday, 30 June 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link
hate the government reading yr emails ur gonna love the government telling you where to work
― lag∞n, Monday, 1 July 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
thx to this thread i always mentally interpose a "fuckin" whenever i read this dude's name
― flopson, Monday, 1 July 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
mordy fucking mordy
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2013 05:07 (ten years ago) link
the dead man switch would make an awesome tom ripley novel scenario ~
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/reuters-article-dead-man-s-switch
The oft-repeated claim that Snowden's intent is to harm the US is completely negated by the reality that he has all sorts of documents that could quickly and seriously harm the US if disclosed, yet he has published none of those. When he gave us the documents he provided, he repeatedly insisted that we exercise rigorous journalistic judgment in deciding which documents should be published in the public interest and which ones should be concealed on the ground that the harm of publication outweighs the public value. If his intent were to harm the US, he could have sold all the documents he had for a great deal of money, or indiscriminately published them, or passed them to a foreign adversary. He did none of that.
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 July 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow
this is pretty amazing
― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
Mr. Miranda, 28, was questioned about the curious cargo shorts he wears in every photo extant of him and his partner Greenwald
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
absolutely disgusting
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah. really shocking. v curious to hear about the fallout, it seems stunningly confrontational, & at such a heated moment.
― szarkasm (schlump), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link
according to twitter, in the UK the rent-a-cops (or whatever you'd like to call the airport security) don't even need suspicion to detain someone for 9 hours, under their antiterrorism statute
― k3vin k., Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
This fucking thread title never ceases to annoy me.
― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link
has greenwald been back to the US since the snowden stuff started?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
nah, he even skyped in to conference he'd been scheduled to keynote in chicago
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link
nine fucking hours
what assholes
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link
really just so dumb
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
crazy they have his stuff.
― szarkasm (schlump), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
This is pretty shitty but goddamn it Greenwald please stop writing things like "This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ."
STOP MINDREADING THE INTENTIONS OF BUREAUCRATS, GLENN. I strongly suspect the reality of the situation was somewhere NEAR what he says but shading ever-so-slightly towards "stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere. I think. I guess. But I'm not going to write that in a newspaper unless I can prove it. That never stops Glenn. He knows what everyone is thinking.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
Those stopped have no automatic right to legal advice and it is a criminal offence to refuse to co-operate with questioning under schedule 7
this is fucking crazy.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
I strongly suspect the reality of the situation was somewhere NEAR what he says but shading ever-so-slightly towards "stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds"
but like, 9 hours? specifically asking about his reporting?
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
Did he ever get his phone and laptop back?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
That never stops Glenn. He knows what everyone is thinking.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 12:17 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yup
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
It sounds like not? Which is like, stealing, by most definitions???
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0
Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.
― R'LIAH (goole), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
I just don't see how they can do they if the guy hasn't been charged. It's not like a bag of weed. It's a USB stick.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link
at borders they can pretty much just take stuff generally
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
part of why they went out of business
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
they're still chill at barnes & noble tho
xpost dammit
― I tweeted too much and I am in jail. (crüt), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
tracer it's in one of the articles that less than 1% of airport detentions under the same provisions last for the full 9 hours
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
"stupid fuck-up by an asshole overstepping their bounds", which is the explanation for 99.9% of all airport detentions everywhere = this is the 0.1%
i would certainly be interested in knowing who gave the order
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-xB_tkBXOw00/UR1cnnmfB2I/AAAAAAAAa3g/VKgKt-edapc/Jack-Nicolson-you-cant-handle-the-tr.jpg?imgmax=800
― OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
turns out it was snowden
xp dammit
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
n/m cant handle it
― lag∞n, Monday, 19 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
This is a country, like the US, without a bill of rights.
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
this is almost certainly illegal, it's just it would take years for any actual ruling affirming it
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link
OK sure, maybe, who knows, but Greenwald just goes ahead and says it like it's cast-iron truth that the (UK?) AUTHORITIES are sending a MESSAGE to JOURNALISTS to TREAD LIGHTLY. i mean really? is that really what the UKBA are doing? or are they just power-hungry bastards who thought they smelled a tip that confidential info might be crossing a border and figured they'd put the guy through the wringer? if they were the kind of illuminati that greenwald makes them out to be they'd have realized a mile away that giving dude this kind of treatment would reap nothing but shit
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
I dunno. I might be scared of dating a Greenwald in the future?
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, August 19, 2013 12:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you are describing the same thing twice, only in the second scenario they aren't as good at it
― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
the ukba being retards and the ukba having authorization from the home office or equivalent are not mutually exclusive possibilities
― No results found for "churl sweatshirt" (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link