Britpop re-assesed?

I remember them. You read Kerrang too?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:00 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah. I never had Cable down as a Kerrang-type of band, to be honest. Especially considering what was going on in metal during the mid '90s, with Korn and Deftones etc.

i love the 60 ft doll album. tis ace.

― mark e, Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:03 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Didn't they put out two albums? I recall 60ft. Dolls being one fucking frantic live band, that's for sure.

voted Blur, Pulp, Suede, SFA, Boo Radleys and of course Mansun, the band that took Britpop in a wonderful new direction only to discover that someone had chopped the rope bridge behind them

all of those bands were capable of stellar experimentation as well as great songwriting. all had restless imaginations.

re 60 ft dolls ..

pretty sure they only managed to release the one album ..

i seem to recall that the second album was promo'd and reviewed, but never released ...

they didnt get called Britrock either (Kerrangs answer to Britpop ie terrorvision,feeder, A, Skunk Anansie etc)

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, June 28, 2013 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I forgot Reef LOL

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, June 28, 2013 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dear god...

Terrorvision's career trajectory is certainly something, isn't it? Make one painfully piss-weak rock album with a single ('My House') that sounds like it could be by Ugly Kid Joe (Formaldehyde), make a more poppier follow-up record but remember to actually write some half-decent songs (How To Make Friends & Influence People), try and do the same again but with lesser results and establish themselves as a perennial festival band with a sense of humour (Regular Urban Survivors), make a record that nobody gives a shit about (Shaving Peaches) until someone remixes 'Tequila' and it becomes a surprise hit, then think "oh god, this is the direction we should be following guys!" (Good To Go)...

you sure you didn't read Kerrang?

you sure you didn't read Kerrang?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:24 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Absolutely positive! Certainly not while Britpop was in full flight, anyway. I don't think I even read an issue of Kerrang until 1999 or 2000! I don't think you particularly needed to read Kerrang to be exposed to Skunk Anansie, Terrorvision or Reef, anyway. Very hard to watch any music channel at the time without hearing a track from Paranoid & Sunburnt or Stoosh on there... and 'Place Your Hands' was as ubiquitous as ANY track from Blur or Oasis at the time, if not more, not to mention 'Naked' was on the Minidisc advert if you remember!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDCwCtZPpUw

The second 60ft Dolls album came out (I have it...) but was on what appears to be their own label rather than BMG like was originally intended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O9vBHOGDjc

I remember The Wannadies and The Cardigans were around at the time, too. I wouldn't call either of those Britpop either (neither band were British, for a start), but I still remember them being around and appealing to people who were 'into' Britpop. I think songs by both ended up on what were meant to be Britpop compilations too, weirdly.

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What the fuck, AG, I can't remember that! Mustn't have seen that episode!

i saw the wannadies before teenage fanclub at t in the park 96? They were a lot heavier live. Was quite impressed by them. TFC were awesome.

Despite them being a lot heavier live I kinda link stuff like wannadies and cardigans in with TFC jingly jangly indie type stuff rather than britpop.

I really should dig out that poster I have from Phoenix Festival '96, which shows every band which was on every stage over the four days, it gives a broad picture of what was going on at the time. Headliners were David Bowie, Neil Young, The Sex Pistols (who'd reformed for that Filthy Lucre tour) and Bjork.

Teenage Fanclub were a strange one for me, they were a band I started checking out and listening to after the Britpop thing was long dead. I definitely know I wasn't into them at the time.

in 96 even afghan whigs, screaming trees, soundgarden,pearl jam , smashing pumpkins were doing well here. So all in all music was still pretty great for me in that period if not britpop itself (tho i did like a few of the bands obviously) it was the late 90s that was pretty dire and I was pretty much only buying older music(funk,jazz classic 80s indie/hardcore/punk/60s/70s canon and lesser known) or albums by bands i already liked or trying to get more leftfield stuff. Was pretty much done with dance music too. Tho once I got the internet I discovered all the IDM/post-rock/math rock/alt-country/black metal type stuff i missed out on and rediscovered a love for doom metal and metal in general and got into even weirder stuff. I felt people in 94-96 were a lot more diverse in tastes than 98- 2000.

Yeah, Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins were definitely still both doing very well here in '96... I remember pretty much all the singles released from Down On The Upside got regular airings on the music channels here, and Smashing Pumpkins were at the very peak of their popularity here too ('Tonight Tonight' was a Top 10 hit single here, I think?). R.E.M. weren't doing too badly either, to say that Monster got a bad reception - New Adventures In Hi-Fi went to #1 on the album chart.

I totally agree with you that the late '90s weren't so hot, though. 1998 and 1999 especially didn't feel all that great to me. Some of the Britpop lot were putting out more interesting records by that point (This Is Hardcore, Six, 13), but there didn't seem to be decent NEW bands around. I don't think it truly started to pick up again until maybe 2001/2002... it definitely had by 2003.

Spiritualized ,Mercury Rev, Qotsa were making the better music at the end of the decade but like you said, qotsa apart, new bands werent doing so great (and of course some older fans hated Spz and Mercury Revs output at this time because it was selling!)

didnt muse and coldplay start around 99/2000? thats when it got really bad

Until landfill came along making that seem like good times

I'm just trying to think of what the more anticipated/acclaimed releases were at the turn of the century... there was At The Drive-In and Kid A (which was coolly received by some initially)... and a lot of nu-metal. That's what I remember the most about the fucking late '90s: nu-metal.

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Yup, Muse and Coldplay made their debuts around that time too. It was the whole Radiohead thing... OK Computer had sold a fucking shitload and had had bucketloads of critical acclaim, so the 'old' Radiohead sound was seen as the "next thing". So what we ended up with was Muse, Coldplay and Travis... then, of course, Radiohead took a different path with Kid A, leaving Muse and Coldplay to steal the fans of 'old' Radiohead that weren't thrilled with their new direction.

Cant have the US-ilxors missing out
Nu-Metal re-assesed?

I remember really bad rock bandwagon jumpers Headswim abandoning grunge then britrock for an ok computer goes rock sound.

To be honest I don't really get the Pulp thing - for a lot of people saying they transcended or were at least the good part of the mid 90s thing, I think they're completely synonymous with Britpop, to the extent that Oasis and Blur were able to be successful either before or after that particular bubble - but surely the point of Pulp was that they were supposed to as well, lording it above the likes of Menswear, Northern Uproar, and god knows who else. But no, once the Britpop thing dried up so did Pulp, at least commercially. I've never really got this. I think they're incredibly dated for the reasons stated.

I never got Pulp until I heard and really liked Jarvis Cocker's first solo album. I still can't say I love 'em, though.

Britpop destroyed whatever was interesting about the Manics IMO...they weren't 'of' it but the climate didn't really help them (artistically etc etc)

If in doubt - turn the guitars down and fill it up with strings

Has there been an ATP style Britpop festival yet? Bound to be money in that, sadly.

A Britpop stage at T In The Park with Ocean Colour Scene headlining would go down a storm
*sighs at scotland*

This forum introduced me to the horror that is Reef. My last trip to the UK, I heard "PLACE YER HANDS ON MY 'OLE" in almost every bar/club I went to. I have no idea how I avoided that monstrosity for so long. I'm sad I didn't keep avoiding it.

Britpop destroyed whatever was interesting about the Manics IMO...they weren't 'of' it but the climate didn't really help them (artistically etc etc)

― Master of Treacle, Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:00 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't say Britpop destroyed what was interesting about the Manics, I'd say there was enough that was interesting about them to enable them to stand out somewhat in 1996 circa Everything Must Go. Oasis and the rest of the Britpop lot weren't really tackling subjects such as Kevin Carter, Willem De Kooning etc. Plus, the fact that Everything Must Go was a big seller helped people get exposed to their earlier work.

What ruined the Manics artistically (although not commercially), but only for a short while, was success. Suddenly they became this commercial proposition and the feeling was that they were trying to sustain that a little bit with This Is My Truth, Tell Me Yours, which I found quite bland and disappointing when it came out. I think they were flailing about searching for a direction circa Know Your Enemy and Lifeblood, but I personally think they got back to what they did best with Send Away The Tigers and Journal For Plague Lovers. Of course, it wasn't the same, but so many years had elapsed by that point it would have been stupid to think they could have made Generation Terrorists or The Holy Bible again.

A Britpop stage at T In The Park with Ocean Colour Scene headlining would go down a storm
*sighs at scotland*

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, July 1, 2013 3:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

With Travis as support? :P

As posted on Post pics of the best/worst Battle Jackets and ILM will mark them out of 10

http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/uploads/2013/09/URBANOUTFIITERS_LEATHERJACKET_PUNK.jpg

i had a weird dream recently with no significant or memorable imagery, but it was sort of soundtracked by the opening bars of Reef's 'Put Your Hands Up', except played on a tuba instead of guitar.

i struggled to derive any meaning from the dream

First time as tragedy, second time as fizzy drinks.

http://www.nme.com/news/blur--2/74863

I thought this would be about Embrace reforming

If we ignore him, he might go away (Alex not Ned, that would be harsh).

Oh, Alex. You're richer than fucking god. You don't need the money; you are literally just doing this to be an utter irredeemable tit.

You only exist, just to punish me for youthful crushes, don't you? Like the embarrassing high school boyfriend that will never quite go away.

Please go away, Alex. Just go away. I have no more attention for you.

Poll: Alex's fizzy drink vs Dave's music and 'tales from his career' radio show vs Damon's solo album.

(winner will probably be Graham)

The store I work in sells *my little pony* pop so I for one welcome Britpop - especially since pop is the true word for fizzy sweet drinks. We never got any of his cheeses over here so I won't hold my breath for any Britpop though :(

Nah, it's some drunkened "Enough I just had an idea!" idea.

this juxtaposition amused me greatly

http://i.imgur.com/HyozHtb.jpg

They should call it "Josef K" then.

You know what we don't hear enough of on BBC Radio? Britpop, that's what.

http://www.clashmusic.com/news/bbc-to-toast-20-years-of-britpop

and so it begins

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/apr/03/britpop-kurt-cobain-20-years-nirvana

oh, and menswe@r have reformed ..

The further you get away from any musical movement, the more the women involved will have been erased from that movement. It's really depressing.

BB : good point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM--uprhvBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quVaSixLy8U