You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

just think of bloody Clark Kent in the deserted FOS (lit like an afterhours singles bar) in Supes II shouting FAAAAAATHHHERRR

honestly thought cavill was fine in this - sold individual moments of drama and humor well enough that I blame Snyder/Goyer for any failure to coalesce. only actor who didn't seem to be giving it their best was Adams, who admittedly was given some of the worst lines (the dick measuring contest, "i have a pulitizer!") etc.

fishburne too was a little clock-in

those newsroom scenes seem like they were cobbled together as an imitation of the originals. and why were we supposed to care about that one intern that was stuck and Perry was saving when we got to spend all of two minutes with her?

That half of Fishburne's lines were the same, tired platitudes every other character was given as dialogue didn't help matters.

yeah in almost all of his other movies (i'll partially except deathtrap and street smart) reeve seems profoundly uncomfortable

i didn't think cavill was bad at all, but the role was kind of incoherent as written

i can't except street smart since it's imposssible to buy him outsmarting morgan freeman

He does what's required in Street Smart, I guess? Morgan Freeman is legit dangerous, and there's little tension between them.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qxsv5PetQQ4/TgT2sqsEBtI/AAAAAAAAIZQ/ayh7s2z9Bac/s1600/Clark_Kent_All-Star_Superman_003.jpg

Good examples of the differences here http://charactermodel.tumblr.com/post/16213440172/clark-kent-by-frank-quitely-all-star-superman

Probably a bit too subtle for this film, just like Pa Kent "maaaaaaybe". Although at least he was willing to die like a chump for his beliefs, I guess

i guess i'm alone in that i dug Pa Kent's "maybe..."

but then that kinda went out the window when he died to save the family dog

The dumbass didn't even realise Clark could have done that shit at walking pace and nobody would have been any the wiser

I couldn't work out if he really wanted Clark to hide his powers or was just being all "I'LL take care of this" like a dick

NOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

I like that everyone seems to have agreed to blame Nolan/Goyer and basically ignore Snyder's involvement. (As they should.)

i hoped my expectations had been lowered sufficiently that i'd find something to enjoy but it lost me right at Jor-El, Two-Fisted Scientist of Krypton and somehow managed to go downhill from there.

oh wait Dune bit was kinda funny

i'd be ok with the sequel if russell crowe is the only character

I like that everyone seems to have agreed to blame Nolan/Goyer and basically ignore Snyder's involvement. (As they should.)

Though Nolan has stated that he didn't want the film to end the way it did.

Referring to what, exactly?

ending was the least of this thing's crimes, and a damn sight better than TDKR

Though Nolan has stated that he didn't want the film to end the way it did.

― Frederik B, Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:41 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

where?

i thought nolan was relatively hands off w/the whole thing, basically picked snyder and backed away

it's still fun to pile on nolan though. in any event, this movie was fine. i'm still waiting for a movie about the rivalry between superman and batman and i hope neither nolan nor snyder have anything to do with it.

who would u pick

woody allen

wtf production values aside this movie was worse than green lantern

GL was worse

worse than ghost rider?

this wasn't anywhere near green lantern

xp seriously though, i'm not sure. maybe ridley scott. i'm thinking a sort of batman dkr thing, starring an aged, cynical batman late in his career, who has built up resentment against superman over the course of decades.

I dunno it looked good but the best part was 5yo Clark running with his red cape.

i liked the art direction/photography in this film. the color scheme and lighting reminded me of alex ross's artwork.

[hugely important part of filmmaking] aside this was way worse than Green Lantern

the best part of this movie is that jonathan kent died in vain, a martyr to a cause that didn't pan out. i thought this was an interesting take: his death was heroic and principled, yet totally pointless. the only thing i really didn't like about this was amy adams' demure, helpless lois lane.

also i thought it was interesting/kinda funny that superman is the indirect cause of seemingly 100s of thousands of deaths. his existence in this film was a net negative for the world bc he is the only reason zod bothered to fuck with earth.

tbf I'm out on a limb here having only seen about 15 minutes of GL on cable but this entire thread was unable to prepare me for the horror so.

not worse than TDKR tho

the movie undermines itself in certain ways. maybe it is a polemic against utilitarian ethics: positing a vision of heroism that is admirable even when it hurts people. in this sense, it is more extreme than nolan's dark knight series, with its exploration of "blowback" in the second film. in that series, batman is ultimately found to be a net positive... his imposition of order onto gotham does, in the end, prove (i think) to have been the right course of action. if batman never existed, bane would have succeeded in destroying gotham i think?

iirc if batman never existed, talia wouldnt have wanted to destroy gotham

hm, i thought that might have been the case but i forget for certain. was ra's al ghul's beef with gotham completely bruce wayne related? or did he hate its "decadence" or something? ftr, i never really grasped ra's al ghul's ideology.

iirc he has a very particular set of skills. skills acquired over a long career.

if batman didn't exist ra's would have poisoned gotham and every other major city on the planet

yeah you are right. i am reading batman wiki and it seems that ra's al ghul is an eco-terrorist, essentially, who wants there to be a radically lower human population. and yet, he has a daughter.

supervillains are such hypocrites

an illegitimate daughter tbf

Such a terribly ugly looking film. Oppressive teal upon teal upon yet more teal upon smudged grey and deathly skin tones all round. I'll be so glad when this fad for desaturating films of their colour finally fades itself; I just want to see blue skies in one modern movie again before I die.

On Nolan and the ending:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/man-of-steel-ending_n_3461332.html

This idea of being uncomfortable with Supes killing Zod, but being totally fine with the total destruction of Metropolis, is so fucking insane to me.

He was his last link to Krypton.

doesn't he have all of krypton in his cell structure or something?

Yeah. But he doesn't know how to extract those lil kryptonians.

I came up with this idea of the heat vision and these people about to die. I wrote the scene and I gave it to Chris and he said, "OK, you convinced me. I buy it."

smh so hard at this... that family cowering in teh corner as the heat vision swept towards them was so lame, it looked like they could have easily just ran in the other direction