dean norris and rosie perez are in this!
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link
Remember a time when Ridley Scott's name wouldn't have been the weak link here?
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
was just gonna say it's kind of sad that they have to bill Ridley Scott as "Academy Award Nominee"
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
what about Cruz as "Academy Award Winner?"
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
I mean tbh that's kind of a sad billing for anyone unless it's the only reason anyone has ever heard of you (nominee)
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
At least with Cruz it could be seen as "You may recognize her as that really hot woman, but she's also a serious actress" which is sad too but at least she actually won one
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
I wonder how many famous "serious" actors and directors have never even been nominated for an oscar
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
good question. depends on what you mean by famous. indie people like todd haynes, jim jarmusch, richard linklater have never been nominated. neither have genre-based folks like john carpenter and walter hill and sam raimi--but they may not be "serious" enough. christopher nolan has never been nominated. nor has cameron crowe. going back a ways, blake edwards was never nominated (how the f*** did that happen?). ditto john frankenheimer. ditto jerry schatzberg. raoul walsh was never nominated, nor nicholas ray, nor (needless to say) douglas sirk. but these guys weren't known to the general public ATT.
hitchcock famously never won one, but he was nominated a bunch of times.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 23:04 (ten years ago) link
stanley donen was never nominated. neither was ophuls. or de sica (even though a few of his films were huge art-house hits). paul schrader hasn't been nominated.....
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link
Well, you hire Ridley Scott, you get Ridley Scott...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20counselor%20trailer&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDQQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dn4rTztvVx8E&ei=k9wCUtr3FubkyQHbiYGQBA&usg=AFQjCNHcVnWGU_HUSJkL5DAaNaHOT8W7Ew&bvm=bv.50310824,d.aWc
― only dogg forgives (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4rTztvVx8E
― only dogg forgives (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link
I'm in
since Blood Meridian is stuck in some kind of development hell (Scott had it for a while then James Franco had it and now idk), this will have to suffice
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 23:58 (ten years ago) link
looks like his tribute to Tony
― Number None, Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:03 (ten years ago) link
looks sweet
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:20 (ten years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579121733648876754.html#articleTabs=article
― Lover (Eazy), Saturday, 12 October 2013 05:10 (ten years ago) link
really want to see this
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2013 05:13 (ten years ago) link
"He doesn't give any answers about his work," Mr. Franco said in an interview. When Mr. Franco called Mr. McCarthy and asked why he had written a book about such a repellent character, he was glib. "He said, verbatim, 'I don't know, James, probably some dumb-ass reason,'" Mr. Franco recalled
― Number None, Saturday, 12 October 2013 11:41 (ten years ago) link
His brother died in mid-production.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link
"He said, verbatim, 'I don't know, James, probably some dumb-ass reason,'" Mr. Franco recalled
<3
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 20:13 (ten years ago) link
this looks bad tbh
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 23:01 (ten years ago) link
Blood Meridien is an amazing book but I have largely soured on McCarthy's dourly nihilistic moralizing
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link
STOKED
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 02:40 (ten years ago) link
but I have largely soured on McCarthy's dourly nihilistic moralizing
u faced the abyss and u blinked, quitter
― unblog your plug (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 08:56 (ten years ago) link
D'oh!
― a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:22 (ten years ago) link
Local film critics on my FB wall were horrified.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link
movie set in el paso = sold.
― caek, Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't terrible, nor particularly good. It depends how you react to the way Cameron Diaz takes over the movie...
Cormac McCarthy sure writes some unfortunate sex talk tho. And I looked at a few pages of the published screenplay, it's longer and more embarrassing there.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:45 (ten years ago) link
Pitt doing cocksure lowlifes p well these days. Also Bardem looks like John Cassavetes in a fright wig.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:46 (ten years ago) link
I thought No Country For Old Men was weak and obvious, lacking fire
you can put this guy in the fire
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:47 (ten years ago) link
i don't think he quite "gets" mccarthy (though maybe this film is terrible). and the novel NCFOM is a tight, excellent thriller w/some interesting themes made into a greater movie.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:50 (ten years ago) link
McC gets "gotten" a little too clearly in this film; Cruz:Diaz is very madonna:whore.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:55 (ten years ago) link
(although a madonna who enjoys cunnilingus)
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link
Analogy in my head is how De Palma did great with a Mamet screenplay (The Untouchables) vs. Mamet directing his own material. In this case, it's McCarthy putting his material front and center vs. handing it off to the Coens.
No Country for Old Domino, All The Pretty U-Turn?
― Lover (Eazy), Thursday, 24 October 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
There are some crisp lines, and Rosie Perez has a real good scene, but this material isn't anywhere near NCfOM level.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:02 (ten years ago) link
Bilge has it just about right (dammit, i shoulda come up with Brian Grazer, if Hollywood freaks were ever much in my head):
http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/movie-review-the-counselor.html
so yeah, ppl expecting a Tony Scottish movie will be kicked to the curb by this one. GOOD.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
Pah. I haven't seen The Counselor, but I'll take any opportunity to try to puncture NCFOM's balloon. The novel is neither tight nor excellent, it's hamhanded and uncommitted to its genre. (The Road is much better as a genre piece, because it does commit.) The Coens' movie has most of the same problems as the book, imo. But it takes less time to watch than read, so an improvement on that count at least.
I love McCarthy when he's good, recoil from him when he's overblown, and the problem is that he's usually both within the space a few pages or paragraphs. That said, Blood Meridian is an amazing piece of sustained writing. Barely a false note in it.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
(Also, No Country is the one where McCarthy's assorted prejudices are most naked and unredeemable.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
The novel is neither tight nor excellent, it's hamhanded and uncommitted to its genre.
seemed like average Stuart Woods airport potboiler
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
film was a def improvement
this one's pretty nakedly 'reactionary' too, but as BE says evrything's so symbolic it's not as directly offensive.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 October 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
Always amusing to me when serious novelists finally dip their toes into films and realize, jeebus, there's a lot more money for a lot less work! See: Richard Russo, Michael Chabon ...
xpost Agree on Blood Meridian. Fuck a film adaptation, that book is a marathon of literary violence.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 24 October 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
Pah. I haven't seen The Counselor, but I'll take any opportunity to try to puncture NCFOM's balloon.
http://i.imgur.com/gowD7A0.gif
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 24 October 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
Agree on Blood Meridian. Fuck a film adaptation, that book is a marathon of literary violence.
yeah he'll never top it
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 24 October 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link
good god such a great book
― the rofflestomper (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 24 October 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link
ncfom is such a good book. God damn what a classic.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 24 October 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
lol: http://www.miami.com/039the-counselor039-r-article
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 October 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link
Every movie's like, cheetahs on a gold leash.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 25 October 2013 01:56 (ten years ago) link
DICKDICKDICKTORINO
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 October 2013 02:55 (ten years ago) link
HEY WRONG THREAD
critical roundup of alleged thread topic
http://www.fandor.com/blog/daily-ridley-scotts-the-counselor
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 October 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
i was kinda trepidatious going in but i really dug this! if someone had told me in advance that there was a scene-stealing john leguizamo cameo, i wouldn't have been worried. it's very mccarthy, so much so that im not sure ridley knew what to do with it at times. but it's good.
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 26 October 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
The Counselor vs Clair Denis' Bastards
http://www.fandor.com/blog/the-film-in-the-shadows-ridley-scott-vs-claire-denis
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
http://www.film.com/movies/the-cult-of-the-counselor
Is the film worth it? “The Counselor” is a didactic movie about how a) women are predatory whores (Cameron Diaz is tattooed with cheetah spots to drive the point home) b) a man defines his character by being appropriately stoic about death. It’s an idiotic exercise in some respects, but a rare opportunity to watch talented performers (Diaz aside) figure out the rhythms of non-naturalistic dialogue that’s quite fascinating when you ignore its offensiveness; it’s not quite “Cosmopolis” or Harold Pinter, but the exercise is in the same ballpark. Novelty filmmaking perhaps — another 20 movies like this simply wouldn’t do — but the multiplex is better for it, and it’s proof our internet Red Alert mechanisms are working faster than ever.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 November 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link
"Women are predatory whores" vs. "Cameron Diaz's character is an aggressive predator."
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Thursday, 7 November 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
I think it's essentially being pulled from theaters after today btw.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 November 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/fashion/in-the-counselor-fashions-and-furnishings-play-a-pivotal-aesthetic-role.html?src=me
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Thursday, 7 November 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
Oh man this movie
Definitely "worth seeing"
I liked it,kinda
― goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:12 (ten years ago) link
pretty much my feelings.
i look forward to seeing it again actually. something tells me it'll play well on cable.
it really reminded me of Cosmopolis--particularly in that it seemed to revolve around a series of rather abstract conversations. intriguing.
― ryan, Monday, 11 November 2013 01:16 (ten years ago) link
Ha that was almost a haiku
― goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:26 (ten years ago) link
Self xpost
But yeah, ryan otm
― goth drama is universal (latebloomer), Monday, 11 November 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link
Also, it doesn't become clear for a while that half the movie at least must be conversations between The Counselor and a character who only appears in a single scene.
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Monday, 11 November 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
really want that ruben blades coffee service
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2013 06:36 (ten years ago) link
on motorized decapitations
http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2013/11/cormac-mccarthy-truman-capote-herschell-gordon-lewis.html
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link
lol there's three names I never expected to see together
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:39 (ten years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-blog/10447186/The-Counsellor-when-good-scripts-go-very-bad.html
― not_goodwin, Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:49 (ten years ago) link
what sux about the movie is mostly in the script
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't that bad, did have some interesting bits, but seemed to overstretch the amount of subplots and be self-consciously amoral which is probably totally oxymoronic.
Saw it in a cinema with one other person in the audience which is a bit weird. Guess word of mouth is out about the film. I enjoyed some of it quite a bit.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 19:08 (ten years ago) link
imo the best things about it are the peculiar digressions and the particular flavor of mccarthy's dialogue and ideas
― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7PvtbkH0I (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link
And that one sunflower Versace shirt Bardem wears.
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 21:00 (ten years ago) link
I've been saying "I've seen it all; it's all shit" pretty regularly since I saw it. I love pithy nihilism tho.
― ryan, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link
I haven't finished watching it but ws penelope cruz + fassbender in that opening scene daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 December 2013 01:55 (ten years ago) link
extended disc cut in Feb, 21 mins longer
no thx really
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
I think the early conversation with the Amsterdam jeweler about love and death and fate and god is much longer.
― tbd (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 22:30 (ten years ago) link
longest Bruno Ganz monologue since Hitler rant
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
unironically cant wait
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
psyched
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:16 (ten years ago) link
http://www.uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2014/01/cormac-mccarthys-ex-arrested-brandishing-gun-pulled-vagina-dispute-aliens/
― akm, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:34 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I'll be checking out the longer cut. Hopefully there's not more of *that* scene.
― ryan, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
this was terrible imo. everyone in it is miscast, save maybe penelope cruz. the dialogue is the major problem, a brisk no thank you sir to the extended cut
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 April 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
More like michael miscastbender and javier boredom and brad shit in this one, thanks for nothing boremac mcsharty
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 5 April 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link
so who has watched the expanded version, and...?
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:32 (nine years ago) link
Eszterhas scripts are better.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 30 August 2014 02:30 (nine years ago) link
Four-hour commentary track.
― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 03:25 (nine years ago) link
HBO Max has the extended version (20 minutes longer), though you have to search under extras to the page to find it. Much better than the original cut.
Reminds me structurally of Gomorrah as far as a collage of how many people have jobs to make a smuggling operation happen.
― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 5 August 2022 04:24 (one year ago) link
Yes, that was the most canny thing about the movie: the way that the scenes of abstract philosophical speech were interspersed with scenes of people going about the operation with minimal or functional dialogue, a really striking contrast.One of my least favourite things in this is the trope of the powerful evil guy who says, "I know you don't want me to do this evil thing, but fate makes it inevitable". There's a lot of interesting stuff in this movie, but I'm not convinced its moral compass is any more evolved than Mötley Crüe's "Dr. Feelgood".
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 5 August 2022 17:53 (one year ago) link
I love this movie. I own the director's cut Blu-Ray. I don't need an evolved moral compass from a movie whose entire message is "fuck around and find out."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 August 2022 20:41 (one year ago) link
I should rewatch this.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 5 August 2022 20:42 (one year ago) link
I watched the 138 minute cut. Somehow I had completely blanked on both the movie and McCarthy's connection -- total "wait, what?!" when his name appeared.
Cormack McCarthy filmed as a big, expensive capital-G Giallo sure sounds like a great idea, but every director eventually misses threading that needle of misunderstood masterpiece or camp classic. It's manic and feeds off of its own energy now and then, but I think I like the writing about this more than I do the actual film. "Bardem looks like John Cassavetes in a fright wig." -- I miss Morbs.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 07:46 (one year ago) link