No cartoony dream theater examples in this thread. I am serious. There you are, minding your own business vaguely paying attention to vh1 classics or your local buttrock station and then queensryche happens. Is there a more terrible possibility? I will actively curate this thread and tell you how wrong you are, because years if research tell me no.
― Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:17 (ten years ago) link
i was a big dream theater fan growing up, mainly because i played drums and mike portnoy had 400 drums in his setup and played very fast, and who did he love, and who did dream theater respect - queensryche. i never got around to listening to them because i realized that dream theater was really, really bad. so i'm going to go ahead and say that nothing on earth is worse than queensryche.
― Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:22 (ten years ago) link
oh wait, shit. i have the answer. what is actually worse than queensryche?
LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT
i had totally repressed the memory. i think that a LTE album was one of the first things i bought online. super rare, hard to find, $20+ in 2001 dollarshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFZXfKrFWF0
― Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:23 (ten years ago) link
start watching from 4:00 on and tell me it's not the worst thing in the entire world.
― Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:28 (ten years ago) link
I will actively curate this thread and tell you how wrong you are
7:14 - 8:00
even worse than queensryche. i challenge you. 7:50 in particular. holy shit.
― Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:45 (ten years ago) link
Wait now, that is actively terrible, however no one is singing about a shadowy imaginary half assed govt or aliens or w/e.
*bangs gavel*
― Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:52 (ten years ago) link
I don't want to be discouraging though because wow that is really really terrible
― Hi i am your great fan suces (jjjusten), Sunday, 23 June 2013 06:53 (ten years ago) link
i understand your hesitation in declaring liquid tension experiment to be worse than queensryche, and i understand if you never want to listen to LTE again. i fully understand why queensryche is the benchmark here. i only ask that, in the conversation of the worst thing of all time, let it be acknowledged that liquid tension experiment pushed the envelope, and no one who ever listened to LTE remained the same.
― Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:01 (ten years ago) link
are you saying you don't believe in mindcrime jjj??
― j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:07 (ten years ago) link
from the wikipedia entry for jordan rudess, the guy who keeps rotating that keyboard around in the LTE clip above:
"On July 28, 2011, in a poll conducted by MusicRadar, Rudess was voted the best keyboardist of all time."
― Z S, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:07 (ten years ago) link
Okay how about Tesseract's newest, overtly needy release, esp from 3:10 onwards, when the slap bass kicks in properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFvyCyHdwN8
― MaresNest, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:10 (ten years ago) link
tempted to start a poll of the worst things about that LTE video
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:40 (ten years ago) link
― Z S, Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:45 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was gonna say, 7:15 is when it really steps it up
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 June 2013 07:45 (ten years ago) link
lol z s you were a crimson fan in the late 90s too huh
did you have this one
http://www.allmusic.com/album/black-light-syndrome-mw0000024495
― j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 08:48 (ten years ago) link
I'd never heard of LTE before this thread, but finding out that Tony Levin was a party to that monstrosity is vv disheartening.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 23 June 2013 08:57 (ten years ago) link
what is actually worse than queensryche?
Queensryche fans?
― a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 June 2013 09:45 (ten years ago) link
Man, my 18yo cousin keeps linking DT and LTE things on my Facebook. I haven't had the heart to listen to LTE yet.
I'm kind of curious about what would go into hating a band you used to be a big fan of. There are lots of cases where I took an interest in something for a little while and then burned out on it or where I realize that something isn't as good as I used to think it was. However, if I was ever a really big fan of something, I think I can still see some value in it or at the least have a certain nostalgic affection. (I've never really been able to get into Dream Theater much at all, although I've tried a few times.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link
man Warning thru Mindcrime Queensryche is unimpeachable I am reading this thread under protest.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link
http://i40.tinypic.com/67jeye.jpg
Feel like half of this dude's career has been fighting male pattern baldness with a variety of weird combovers or hair paint. Operation: Tricorner Hair.
― a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:06 (ten years ago) link
No wait Operation: Haircrime ahh shit I'm tired.
― a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:09 (ten years ago) link
despite what I said above, that pic is almost enough to make me renounce the Ryche
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:10 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHhK80GnwI
check out the 5:15 mark where Geoff muppetizes "Silent Lucidity"
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 23 June 2013 13:12 (ten years ago) link
i don't get what's going on with his forehead, is this a headshot for a TNG extra gig?
― j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
yo i've been trying to remember the name of Liquid Tension Experiment for years. a few band kids were really into dream theater and by extension that, and even then it was just awe-inspiringly bad. queensryche is funnier.
― thot police (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 23 June 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link
my read on Queensryche has always been that there must be 4 or 5 good songs in there somewhere but I'm not nearly ready to go looking for them
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 June 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Keyboard_Breaks:_Live_in_Chicago
― brimstead, Sunday, 23 June 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
if he's such a whiz why couldn't he just play around the limitations of his instrument
― j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link
Liquid Tension Experiment is instrumental, so it's at least got to be better than Dream Theater.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 June 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTu9bVcwU0
― DJP, Sunday, 23 June 2013 21:43 (ten years ago) link
lol @ wookiefoot, always
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 June 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
no way, i'd never heard of king crimson at that point! i just listened to LTE because i had read that it was associated with dream theater. LTE is so hilariously vain. i guess whoever ran the record label that their albums came out on asked mike portnoy (dream theater drummer) to put together a prog supergroup. so portnoy puts together a group with himself, john petrucci (dream theater guitarist), jordan rudess (who was soon to join...dream theater) and tony levin. can you imagine the vanity??
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 00:06 (ten years ago) link
and then they play like THAT?!
hen that jam was over, Portnoy ended up taking Levin's bass and Charlie Benante ended up playing drums.
!!!
― how's life, Monday, 24 June 2013 01:12 (ten years ago) link
i guess he never took any composition classes at berkelee or wherever
or did and failed them
― j., Monday, 24 June 2013 02:18 (ten years ago) link
During this tour, on May 17, 2013, Tate created controversy during a show in St. Charles, Illinois. Ten minutes into the show, he grabbed an audience member's smartphone, turned around, and threw it over his shoulder into the crowd.[87]
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 02:23 (ten years ago) link
how long before Geoff can brag he's spit on all members of both Queensryches on stage?
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link
Are there two Queensryches now? That would explain these constant headaches and nosebleeds, I guess.
― a head-tailed cat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 24 June 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that's what's worse than Queensryche: Geoff Tate's Queensryche.
― South of Hamster (J3ff T.), Monday, 24 June 2013 06:51 (ten years ago) link
Also, I love Queensryche, so screw you hipster indie rock d-bags.
http://thrilljockey.com/assets/merch/photo-86.jpg
― j., Monday, 24 June 2013 06:53 (ten years ago) link
oh man
about 20 seconds into my research experiment on liquid tension experiment, i ran into this line on allmusic.com's review of their first album:
This is the second of Magna Carta's one-time-only groupings and the second to feature bassist Tony Levin. Fortunately for all concerned, it's light years beyond Black Light Syndrome, which paired Levin with guitarist Steve Stevens and drummer Terry Bozzio in an ill-conceived and poorly executed set of improvisations.
looks like i'm going to be listening to some black light syndrome in a second
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Bozzio Levin StevensAREBlack Light Syndrome
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link
i can't find any live footage, but i did find these guys doing a cover of the intro to "the sun road":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAYfXeVNyR0
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
xxxxx zzzzzzz 3 years agohowmuch did you guys smoked before this ?:)
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
and here's the real deal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlPJ1wJiV5o
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Wonder what Fripp would think of this song.
― grandavis, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link
We could probably do a whole thread on what I would call Guitar Clinic Bands -- those supergroups made up of mostly personality-less musician's musicians that always play at Zildjian events and the like, who make technically impeccable music that should ostensibly be at least interesting and yet is completely boring.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
there's just like no attempt to give the band any cohesive vibe beyond "we are musicians"
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
^^^i am very familiar with these bands from high school and have deep prog shame
― precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
i thought we might already have a thread on it, but i guess i'm just thinking of this one: Let's figure out Dream Theater.
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
jeezus, i forgot about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BKmnlvO47E
that's worse than queensryche
― Z S, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
of course, going back to the original post, which begins with "No cartoony dream theater examples in this thread. I am serious."
i am sorry jjjusten, i don't know what happened back there!
amazed at the finglonger that LTEs bass player uses
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
I notice no one is disputing Wookiefoot
― DJP, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
don't spook the wookie
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
"Spook the Wookie" sounds like itshould be an early draft of "Shock the Monkey"
― DJP, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
xpost Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, awesome in the right context, couldn't possibly be any less personality-less! That's often the biggest problem with bands like these.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
I don't have anything to add to this conversation except a) I am all for it and b) I'd like to encourage everyone to adopt Scott Ian pronounciation of Geoff Tate: JEE-OFF TAH-TAY
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Geoff Tah-Tahs.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 June 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
Tony Levin and Terry Bozzio, awesome in the right context, couldn't possibly be any less personality-less!
OTM.
Also, I feel like I should object to calling this stuff prog except that I never actually took the time to listen to LTE or BLS.
Also also, vocals on Mindcrime are still dazzling.
There's a job for jjj in the system.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
have been friends with a guy for about 10 years and just last year found out he had a mindcrime tattoo on the back of his neck
he was kind of mad at me for laughing :/ but it was funny!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
Tateheads are scary
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Ha, I didn't know that Tateheads were a thing.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
ask and ye shall find, via the comments section:
http://eddietrunk.com/the-todd-la-torre-fronted-queensryche-post-new-song-fallout-online/
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
though they are really akin to the one guy who goes to concerts and yells unintelligibly that everyone else points and laughs at
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
Isn't that mostly just a bunch of people saying "this sucks"?
xpost
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I was referring to the guy whose comment was at the top! Sorry that I didn't specify, lol.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
I really hope that is Ripper Owens that posted that
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
Posted by an old college friend on FB last week after a Columbus, OH show:
So, about the Queensryche show.... yes, it was Geoff "& some other guys," but those other guys kicked some serious ass (how can they not when one of those other guys is Rudy?) They did bring down the key one or two steps on pretty much everything, and there were many times Geoff decided to take the lower register instead of the high notes... but he did still hit the high notes when he chose to. To be fair, he usually made the correct choice.... he NEVER sounded bad...
― This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
Could we perhaps call it Exhibition Rock?
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
gasface rock
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link
Haha, his synopsis is "Geoff can sing all those notes, he just doesn't want to. Greatness should be exhibited in doses."
I think I can refute Geoff still sounding great with any number of Youtube videos. I can't tell if it's because of his years of smoking, or the fact that he pretty much hates his musical legacy at this point.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
yknow he could just stop
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
Great thread.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 24 June 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
I probably haven't even thought of Queensryche in over 10 years, but I'm amused by the idea that it is now "Geoff and some other guys" wherein Geoff completely blows.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 June 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
The thing is, I don't think Queensryche is actually that similar to the other bands we're talking about. Except for the 10-min "Suite Sister Mary", which I always skip, there is only one song on Mindcrime that is over 6m. There are five tracks that are less than 2m. It's only proggy in the Wall sense of being a narrative-based rock opera with high-budget production. (I barely pay attention to the narrative.) The songs are mostly pretty straightforward and traditional in structure. In fact, the band was largely there to support Tate, which is very different from what Dream Theater do, let alone these instrumental exhibition bands.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 24 June 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
makes them sound like they play at county fairs, or auto shows
― j., Monday, 24 June 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
you know what, I want to watch jjjusten choose between Queensryche and Stryper
― DJP, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:52 (ten years ago) link
Attila.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 28 February 2019 01:33 (five years ago) link
attila would be terrible if anybody actually _liked_ them
― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 28 February 2019 01:55 (five years ago) link
nothing is worse than Queensryche
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 February 2019 04:16 (five years ago) link
queensryche sounds like the pokemon theme song
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 February 2019 07:44 (five years ago) link
Vice versa, surely?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:08 (five years ago) link
I.......like Queensryche
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:33 (five years ago) link
I do too. Im seein em in two days!
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:05 (five years ago) link
"nothing is worse than Queensryche"
nonsense. Dream Theater is far far worse (I don't know why the first post says they're not allowed).
― akm, Thursday, 28 February 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link
y'all should go see them with Fates Warning if they come by your town. top notch musicianship.
hell it was even louder than I expected for a RYCHE Show ffs lol
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 00:26 (five years ago) link
i should do no such thing
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 00:53 (five years ago) link
dude i hung out with in high school was the biggest Ryche fan i knew, even had his parents get him a customized plate: i believe it was RYCHE8
EMPIRE still slays
― omar little, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:59 (five years ago) link
There's a million bands worse than Queensryche but there's few bands who ever topped their early 80s look for sheer "why would any band want to look like that" factor.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
iirc Geoff Tate had to wear his hair "that way" permanently because it was a temporary bird sanctuary.
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link
Tate has three daughters: Sabra, Bella, and Emily, along with one stepdaughter, Miranda. Tate was never married to Sabra's mother. In 2011, Miranda gave Geoff his first grandchild, giving birth to Riot Danger.[citation needed]
― budo jeru, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:29 (three years ago) link