Roy Montgomery: Classic or Dud etc etc

the second Dissolve album, Third Album from the Sun has been sounding really good to me lately

REQUEST:

recordings that either are or sound like Roy Montgomery (partic his solo stuff), but also have human/s playing drums and or a live percussion element.

Some of the moodier/darker Durutti Column stuff, like the songs on Another Setting?

Note - I have heard Hash Jar Tempo but those albums were improvisations, right? They are more out there/noodly than what I'm looking for. (I like them but that's not the sound I'm after)

maybe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1rF3-gk21U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0OjY3UXiLk

have not heard that durutti column, will look into

i listened to most of the first lanterna song and i liked it ok but the song itself is more traditionally rock with the key changes and whatnot -- i think what i'm looking for is a more...textural sound? i don't know how to describe it, pls bear with me.

the second lanterna song is so worth waiting SIX MINUTES for the drums to start -- the best part about it is that it never turns into one of the big bombastic songs like it totally could. love this song!
i guess i can look it up but if there is anything essential i need to know about them (they are 12, this album is from 1966, whatever) tell me!

i was a big fan of their first lp, way back in '95. they are def. more 'traditional' than RoyMont. the main guy Henry Frayne was also in The Moon Seven Times, and Area before that (both kinda proto-Cocteau Twins-ish?). i think maybe the Lanterna lps get more 'ambient'? i don't know, though--i just went to the Youtubes and found the two closest to Roy Mont. and warning, there were a few that veered more into mannered bombast. There's also Scenic, Bruce Licher's post-Savage Republic outfit, big on the cinematic desert landscapes. and i assume you already know about early Felt?

there's also Land Observations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF7BwtpXZ8

no drums, though--but also no bombast :)

v good info, thank you. also i assume you already know about early Felt? YES, I have been known to listen to early Felt over and over and over and over.

one of my favorites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGHQ2s4NQcE

i guess i want hypnotizing vs emotionally bombastic

why didn't that show up? anyway it was the optimist and the poet.

Does Henry Frayne still live in Champaign?!
Wiki says he retired from UIUC, but he's not even 50.

i lost touch w/ him years ago, unfortunately.

ooh i like land observations, but i specifically am looking for stuff with drums

if there's not much of it, that's fine too. i don't even know where else to ask this question, and i very much appreciate the suggestions! i listened to sands (the whole album) yesterday while i was walking and liked most of it. i wish the drums were a little more spare sometimes, but who cares.

Backing up a bit -- Henry Frayne is on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/henry.d.frayne

and he still lives in Champaign, apparently!

cool, thanks ned!

La Lech, here's another recommendation--Cathode was an obscure Boston band; their Steve Fisk-mixed 'Sleeping + Breathing' lp from 1999 might float your boat. the whole lp is posted on youtube, in separate tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWknAcd6V18&list=PL98929511BB0B8060

ahhh sounds like 1999. people weren't afraid to be slow and languid back then. that's not exactly what i was looking for, but i like it.

i hope henry frayne has a google alert for his name and finds this thread.

another question -- how does one describe the guitar sound/song structure in this RM song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DAVNZMx-Lk

can't stop listening to this song again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_CMSzseAtQ

I often listen to Winding it Out in the High Country from Scenes from the South Island and imagine I have stolen a boat and am sailing it straight into a hurricane.

Scenes from the South Island is easily one of the best albums of the 90s. Hearty thanks to Ned (& Piero Scaruffi) for getting my attention

I feel like I need to give his latter albums more attention... And Now the Rain, Allegory of Hearing, and Silver Wheel of Prayer. I need other people to point out the awesome songs and then somehow they become awesome to me too.

That's a great album, and I really like it 100% for real, but man this song is something else! It's so overwhelmingly obscenely creepy and totally way too long but he's like "i'm gonna play this creepy song as long as i want, fu who can't take it" and i really admire that attitude (as long as I like the music, which i do in this case).

questions -
1) is he aping some style i'm not familiar with?
if yes, who? specifically.

if no,
2) why is this song not more famous?

the newest one (...Hey! Badfinger) has yet to click with me.

i haven't heard it -- what's it like?

also i didn't mean creepy like crepey -- i meant sinister/spooky/creepy (which is not the same thing)

parts of temple IV are very sinister/oppressive!

i haven't heard that one
i'll check it out!

Maybe it just comes to mind because he's covered them, but Ill at Home sounds like it could be a 154 era Wire song. The Graham Lewis stuff.

wow, that's an interesting observation! I gotta re-listen with that in mind.

ooh, you are totally right, like a mutual friend or the rhythm from single K.O.!

jeez 154 is so good

so did anyone else pick up this compilation of rare tracks on the label run by grouper's liz harris?

this one: http://www.discogs.com/Roy-Montgomery-324-E-13th-Street-7/release/5617716

it's a reissue of a 1999 compilation I've never actually seen, in pretty fancy packaging with a poster and stuff.

also should i get the hey badfinger thing? the record store down the street has it for $9.

that comp is essential. crucial. Something Else Again is one of my favorite singles ever, and the Shallows is necessary.

Yeah that comp is above/beyond. Have it on the original run. (RIP Drunken Fish.)

sold

three bonus tracks not on the CD edition as well... interesting! just snagged a copy, thanks for the news!

Is it his usual guitar stuff or are there other instruments??

My drum part for Ill at Home is coming along and now I can't really think of the song without the drum part, which makes me wonder why I keep trying to ruin perfectly good Roy Montgomery songs?!

I think one song has a tambourine? but yeah, pretty much all guitar + vocals.

jeez, amateurist, I am envious of you getting to hear this compilation for the first time. my favorite is some other time.

got one from Little Axe distro in PDX for $24

I have the E.N.D. single on Drunken Fish but have never heard the rest of this stuff afaik

Ooh, I forgot how gorgeous Times Three is.

4 Album box set of new material out next month
http://grapefruitrecordclub.com/products/montgomery-roy-r-m-h-q-headquarters-4lp-box-pre-order

Oh man, that looks fantastic, I posted last week about Spotify leading me on by posting new Roy Montgomery: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MC_rBBAiC2Y/maxresdefault.jpg

gotta hear about him sometime

I posted that Roy Montgomery link to the proper Roy Montgomery's facebook wall to much hilarity.

but seriously, I ordered the box set, and... that is a lot of roy montgomery all at once!

No complaints, of course.

Anyone have "Live At The Gladstone Hotel"? There's a hidden track or two tacked on to the end of "Hurricane Fighter Plane", anyone know what they are?

It's out: https://badabingrecords.bandcamp.com/album/r-m-h-q-headquarters

just in time for autumn cold front!