You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

Thinking about this movie gives me a sense-memory headache

Michael Shannon might have made an interesting superman since they were going the brooding intense route anyway. His accent feels more farmy than britstraterrestrial anyway

He also looks kind of like an Alex Ross superman

Really hated the second half of this movie. There's only so much superpunching my eyes can take.

he was so swoony as Superman. and his Clark was true dork

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:31 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some pretty good slapstick in first two movies, esp. in #2.

and ned the thing how nobody realizes clark is superman, including lois, doesn't make her or anyone else stupid! it's just a wonderful conceit that i'm sure a movie as Serious as this one hasn't the imagination for.

i always loved that conceit, back to when i was a little kid. "it's superman, can't you see?" --yelled gleefully at the TV.

loved the bit with Lois and the juicer and the sight gag of the choked-with-cigs ashtray.

reeve was great. he was perfect in a way that's difficult to describe - he's just great to look at, this big broad-shouldered guy in a nylon body suit, hands on his hips and wry smile on his face. he radiates decency, but somehow isnt dull or dreary. the lightness of touch is there but you know you'd still feel a little nervous if you were standing next to him. he's the best thing about superman '78

if they do a sequel to man of steel and they try to add a comic element with bumbling clark kent, it's gonna be a disaster because cavill's a huge liability as an actor

Meanwhile over in Zimmerworld:

Zimmer found a couple of things about Superman that were relevant to him, mainly the idea of being a stranger in a strange land and, always being a foreigner, how does one then look at America?

"Especially throughout the last few years of working on Dark Knight, etc., we've been looking at America in a rather sort of grim way," Zimmer explains. "The thing that has been left out of any conversation is just to honor hard-working folk. I thought, 'Wow, I just want to use this movie to celebrate the endlessness of the Midwest, the farmers, the people who leave their doors unlocked because they trust in the people who invite the stranger in and give them a cup of tea and coffee.'

"The dignity of the blue-collar man – wouldn't that be nice to celebrate? Just stop with all the dark stuff for a second."

"i guess i'll try to find a film that's about that, after i'm done writing the 'man of steel' score"

There's a kind of superhero reboot grocery bag I could live without.

Sir, that journalist is here, with the...... Superman.

There's this guy wreaking havoc around town. Calls himself...... The Joker.

My first name, since you asked for no reason? It's...... Robin.

They did this in the trailer!

This was staggeringly poor. Half of the populations of Smallville and Metropolis must be dead by the end of this and Superman just does not give a fuck. Not even a throwaway line of dialogue to acknowledge the carnage or even express concern for the people he's supposed to be protecting. It's particularly infuriating since they wanted to make a 'realistic, grounded' Superman, and then Snyder deliberately plays with 9/11 imagery and then completely ignores the consequences of an atrocity several times its magnitude.

I went in expecting it to be bad, but it's worse than I could possibly have imagined. No-one involved in this seems to understand a single thing about what makes Superman work as a character.

nah it's cool larry fishburne got out in time

There's a kind of superhero reboot grocery bag I could live without.

Sir, that journalist is here, with the...... Superman.

There's this guy wreaking havoc around town. Calls himself...... The Joker.

My first name, since you asked for no reason? It's...... Robin.

― sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:59 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just to expand on this it's not the stupidity of making a big deal of naming the character that's lame, it's the stupidity of making a huge deal of NOT saying the character's name for the rest of the movie.

"See nobody actually calls her catwoman in the whole movie because even though she really is catwoman she kind of isn't catwoman she's just an ordinary anonymous criminal who dresses like a cat for literally no reason" haha no offence nolan but for real I think you might actually be brain-damaged m8

I think only 3 people died onscreen? So everyone else is just scrapes and sprains

yeah that's great when supes kills the guy responsible for the hundreds of deaths he doesn't give a shit about and he's all "BAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGHH"

"The building I was in collapsed when Superman smashed General Zod through its foundations. I broke a nail and my bus home was 15 minutes late." xp

it's the gi joe school of "if you didn't see the death, it's not a death"

The thing that really bothered me about that is a super scream should take out a block as well, no? like what he should really do is scream into a kryptonite pillow

i kept waiting for the moment when superman would show an iota of concern for the # of people being put in harms way by fighting in densely populated areas, was a little weird that it never came, also made his anguished post-zod scream seem unearned

H4A that smile is consistently the best thing about this movie don't knock it

― sjuttiosju_u (wins), Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:29 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

not knocking it, love amy adams. kinda have mixed feelings on her in this... she might be too cute for lois. but she also gets saddled with an ungenerously written character and a lot of the movie's clunkiest lines

http://images.tcj.com/2013/06/tcj_0003.jpg

what the hell is that

^

a panel from ernie colon's underworld that inexplicably uses a clark kent lookalike(?)

I'm surprised it only got 1 vote and my brother the cow got 3.
--Herman G. Neuname

Cocaine presents..
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batman returns would've been great if it had the confidence not to be a bunch of noisy obnoxious toy-selling bullshit. its best scenes cant be touched by any other superhero movie though:

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what the hell is that

Wtfdaniel

Cocaine DOES present it. Not as thoughtful as discussions of utility data though.

that should be in the opening credits for top gun...

jerry bruckheimer, don simpson, and cocaine present

a film by tony scott

TOP GUN

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GFHMS-OSeSo/TQBIv9z434I/AAAAAAAADJo/TBpRwgVGkcI/s640/Oeming+%25281%2529.JPG

Someone tell me what this is from?

Danger Diabolik

The Invisibles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RG0nWG8FSs

forgot to mention nolte in pantheon of superhero movie perfs

This was fine but amy adams is not the right choice for Lois. It felt like a different character.

nolte in the hulk is awesome in his OTTness

The Hulk is classic. Infinitely better than that boring hulk movie from several years ago.

thoughts:

-Liked Snyder's depiction of a crumbling Krypton.
-For a while, the film's jumps in time between Clark's adulthood and youth manage to paint a decent picture of a child who doesn't understand his origin. Problem is, Zach treats this trope like an essay and delivers example after example of this alienation until you want to scream "WE GET IT! H DOESN'T FIT IN!".
-A good drinking game might be taking a shot every time there's a scene with Clark crying.
-The "Fortress of Solitude" reimagining in some ways works, but is also the beginning of the film's undoing. "Batman Begins" worked because it examined something the earlier films hadn't done in great length - Batman's origin story. However, the initial Richard Donner entry did exactly this, and at good length. Having to see Superman's origin again, and then hearing it re-explained to him by Jor-El just feels like overkill.
-By the time Superman puts on his cape for the first time, the film had felt exhausting...Zach could have easily accomplished in 30 minutes what he spent over an hour trying to do.
-Amy Adam's Lois Lane feels like a pale imitation of the character.
-The talented Laurence Fishburne barely makes an impression as Perry White. In one scene, he attempts to rescue a co-worker from death, and one might wonder why the audience is supposed to care, as the film has spent so little time with either of them.
-Zod. Ugh. Although some scenery chewing is to be expected with Zod, Shannon makes he unfortunate choice of gnawing straight through the upholstery, delivering half of his lines with clenched teeth, and the other half with pained, exerted yells. Shannon's Zod is devoid of all of the calculated menace that Terrence Stamp brought to the role.
-My problems with the ending have already been beaten to death. Thousands of people had to have died, yet they sweep that under the rug. NBD, back to life as usual in the ruins of Metropolis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTfkdPzi8Mw

a bunch of friends who posted what were practically blogs about the 'plot holes' and flaws in Iron Man 3 are going to bat for this stinkfest. It boggles my mind.

terence stamp was such a great choice for zod, he not only oozes menace but this kind of above-it-all decadence that makes him both fun and a worthy adversary for the super-sincere superman

in other words he doesn't really play zod as crazy

Ursa and non were good too

effete willowy sadist far more memorable and effective than bellowing batshit meathead

the whole phantom zone crew from the original were gender bent now that i think about it. Supes fighting for the american way against the real 70's threats

Supes was fighting gentrification?

Lol Zod was a proto-yuppie

Superman IV: The Quest For Fuel-Efficient Automobiles

effete willowy sadist far more memorable and effective than bellowing batshit meathead

― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Monday, June 17, 2013 12:44 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

See: montalban as khan

picturing a teorema/superman mashup where general zod seduces ma and clark kent

btw i'm rewatching supes: the movie right now and it holds up pretty well. the stuff with clark and lois is just great (I can even handle the sort-of-rhyming voice over during the flying sequence). kidder is just great in this, as is reeve. they really make this film.