Barry Bonds is the DEVIL!!!

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Let's invite BB to ILX!

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

dear bb i want to c all over your steroid t's

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

how much is apple paying him?

John (jdahlem), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Barry needs a nickname. I nominate "Legal."

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bail"!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I like when he's called "San Francisco Left Fielder" since he's not part of the players' union or something.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

No, he's not part of the *licensing agreement* ... I'm reading Marvin Miller's autobio, and he has a whole chapter on how the players controlling their images in the marketplace led to a boom in cards. Where has he been called "SF LF"?

Barry since the break:

.378/.578/.867

And that OBP is 50 points LOWER than the first half! He's gone free-swingin' on us!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I think there are some video games where he's been called that.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that's used on yahoo's live gameday thing.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

ESPN.com as well. And fyi I was going for Barry "Legal."

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Barry funny.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link


He may have hit two moonshots Sunday night, but his odds of hitting .400 this year are only around 0.2%:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3404

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought I had seen it all, but tonight watching the Giants vs. D-Backs game:

Top of the 7th Inning, Giants 5, D-Backs 0, 1 out
Barry Bonds up, Lance Cormier pitching

3 breaking balls (all curveballs I think) nowhere near the plate
4th pitch intentional walk

That's right, the Giants up 5 runs to 0, a team 55 games under .500 intentionally walks him.

He finishes the game 1/2 with 3 walks. Oh and he broke his MLB record for walks in a season.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 12 September 2004 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link

you'll see more of that this afternoon, i'm sure. pedrique has stated that he doesn't want bonds to hit no. 700 on his turf. which makes me wonder: is he a pussy, or just painfully aware of his starters' shortcomings?

maura (maura), Sunday, 12 September 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

teh awesome. EAT IT LA.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 16 September 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I spoke before I read that article.

"If one of them gets it, I'm just as happy," Mahan said. "I'm sure they'll want to give it to me."

wotta dickhole.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 16 September 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

A CONTRACT? Leeee, you're being kind in calling this money-grubbing fucktard a "dickhole".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 September 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Report: Bonds tested for steroids

The obvious question is, if he is so anxious for the results, why didn't he just get tested voluntarily?

bnw (bnw), Monday, 27 September 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

If he's innocent, then why is it his responsibility to clear his name? Isn't it MLB's responsibility to prove that he's done something wrong?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

MLB testing is entirely random.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Guilty until proven innocent! I'm just saying, he coulda shrugged the whole thing off as "told ya so". I guess the least combative approach isn't really Barry's style.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

What's so combatitive about his statement?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's something that blew my mind today and might be interesting for all the Barry haters:

BB leads all MLB left fielders in Outfield Assists. Also, who would you think is the best defensive left fielder of the following:

Barry Bonds
Adam Dunn
Moises Alou
Miguel Cabrera
Manny Ramirez
Craig Biggio

The answer may surprise you.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

the answer according to what/whom???

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Define "best"?
Admittedly, I haven't thought much about defensive stats ... the Zone Ratings seem fairly telling. But isn't Range Factor measuring almost the same thing?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Best defense defined as: most outfield assists, least errors per chances (aka fielding percentage), higher zone ranking, higher range factor.

Range Factor = ((PO + A) divided by innings)
Zone rating = The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

how do you figure? for ex alou is highest in ZR, lowest in RF.

[i have a feeling i know what the answer is anyway; you got this idea from those quiz questions at georgewbush.com, didn't you?]

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Range Factor vs Zone rating

This is what I don't understand (John's comment about Alou only adds to the confusion).
Aren't both stats a measure of how many balls the player is able to field? Wouldn't having a high RF also indicate that you're fielding a high %age of balls in your defensive zone (=high ZR)?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/main/article/lichtman_2003-03-14_0/

Bill James introduced us to Range Factor (RF) as, essentially, the number of outs made per game. This was convenient at the time, because we had no other context but the game. The problem is that a game is not necessarily nine innings for each fielder. As well, each fielder is dependent on his pitching staff and "luck" for opportunities.

STATS began tracking Zone Rating (ZR) as, essentially, the total number of outs per balls in a fielder?s "area of responsibility" (i.e., zone). This addressed some of the shortcomings of RF.

think about the difference in balls in play b/w a staff like the cubs and one like the mets - ZR and RF would only be different measurements of the same thing if opportunities were equal across the board, but due to luck and variations among pitching staffs, they're not at all. so zone rating's quite a bit fairer as it tries to measure fielding ability on an equal opportunity basis, but it's got its own problems as you'll find (depending on how interested you are in this stuff) if you read on above.

[if it's still not clear, here's one of those extreme examples that sometimes help: a guy who gets to just 10 balls in a season can have a much higher ZR than a guy who fields 200 - provided only a handful of balls were hit into his (the former's) zone. of course, the latter fielder would have a much higher RF, since range factor merely measures PO+A regardless of actual opportunity]

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 September 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Back on the more measurable side of the ball... Several folks on the SABR e-list have pointed out in recent days that Bonds is assured of setting the seasonal record of rate of bases reached per out ...1.615 through Sunday. This leaves even Ruth's best seasons in the dust. (Ichiro's rate this year is .716 times per out.)

Where's the attention? Not from equivocators like Joe Morgan & Co.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, ruth's (??) "bases reached per out" record has become truly legendary of late, esp. after mcgwire and bonds failed to break it in even their most torrential campaigns...it's a shame something so clearly NOT ARCANE as this isn't getting major attention from ESPN

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, arcane and not nearly as significant as some slappy singles hitter piling up a counting stat...

Of course ESPN isn't gonna mention it (tho I've seen SportsCenter graphics on FAR more arcane matters), or audiences would never stop laughing at J*e M*rgan's "Beltre, Pujols and Bonds are all MVPs."

It illustrates BB is underrated, is all.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i'm glad you brought it up and all i just really really don't think it deserves the same kind of attention ichiro's getting for a handful of reasons (and it looks like i correctily guessed that was your insinuation)

sure a mention would be nice but i can never get my head around these "per out" stats...it's just not very natural, ya know?

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, it seems not making outs is the key to offense, and Bonds is excelling this year like no one ever has.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 October 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
$80 is the DEVIL!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Alou seriously considers batting Bonds in the #2 spot.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/01/20/SPGECGQDM71.DTL

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Looking good:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/3918/photos

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 23 January 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

he pulled out of the wbc.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

so does anyone have a predicted "line" for BB this year, stats-wise?

gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

he didn't really look like he shrunk that much did he? esp consider he spent the past year blogging. anyhow my guess - he hits around 40 homers, yr bayliss's and cowherd's think this 'proves' something or other.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think he'll play enough to get to 40.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I think his 1999 line is not a stretch:

102 games of .262/.389/.617, 34 HRs, 73BB:62K

no comment on the 15 SBs.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

34's around 40!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-1991767reg.jpg

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

well well well

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

lookit what we got here

gear (gear), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

llew llew llew

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 February 2006 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

llew llew llew
I've got some apples
llew llew llew
You have some too

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Barry bein Barry.

c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 20 February 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Can you still hit?"

"Very well."

Andy K, Friday, 24 March 2017 02:51 (seven years ago) link

He could still slug as a DH I bet.

Handsome Bookor, Friday, 24 March 2017 13:24 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwMfT2cZGHg&t=3s

Van Horn Street, Friday, 14 April 2017 05:44 (seven years ago) link

I understand the point he's making, but without a bat, well, you know...

clemenza, Friday, 14 April 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...
four years pass...

John Perrotto was a guest on Friday’s episode of FanGraphs Audio, and among the subjects addressed by the longtime Pittsburgh Pirates beat writer was the team’s famously parsimonious ownership. The penny-pinching ways date back to the departure of Barry Bonds via free agency in 1992. I asked Perrotto if there was there any chance that the the reigning NL MVP was going to stay in Pittsburgh.

“No, the Pirates weren’t going to pay him,” Perrotto said on the podcast. “The picture that has been painted here over the years is [that] Barry hated it in Pittsburgh and couldn’t wait until the minute he could get out of town. That’s not true…. In fact, during the 1992 season — this was some time after the All-Star break, probably in August — I talked to him after a game. Let me set a little background here before I get ahead of myself.

“The two Pittsburgh newspapers were on strike, so you didn’t have as much media as you normally would in the clubhouse after the game,” continued Perrotto, who was covering the team for the suburban Beaver County Times. “He’d been the star of the game… and after we talked about that, I said, ‘Hey, what would it take for you to stay here?,’ thinking he was going to say, ‘I don’t know. That’s something for my agent to discuss.’ [Instead], he goes, ‘Five years/25 million and I’ll sign tomorrow.’ I said, ’Is that on the record?’ He said, ‘Yeah, man. Write it. Five years/25 million and I’ll sign tomorrow.’”

Hall of Fame catcher Ted Simmons was the Pirates GM at the time. Perrotto walked back to the press box, picked up a phone, and called Simmons to pass along what Bonds had said. Simmons — equal parts excited and pleasantly surprised — proceeded to call the team’s president.

“Mark Sauer had been brought in to cut costs.” Perrotto said of the former Pittsburgh executive. “I know people will find this hard to believe, but the Pirates had the sixth-highest payroll in baseball in 1991. They weren’t always cheap; they weren’t always at the bottom of the payroll standings. They did spend money in the early ‘90s, when they won three division titles in the National League East from ’90 to ’92. But they were on a payroll-reduction kick, and Mark Sauer told Ted Simmons, ‘No, we can’t do that.”

Bonds went on to sign a then-record six-year/43.75M contract with the San Francisco Giants in December. As Giants owner Peter Magowan put it at the time, “It’s a lot of money, but there’s only one Barry Bonds.”

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/sunday-notes-danny-coulombe-executes-sliders-and-curves/

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