'Marquee Moon' LP is overrated

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Verlaine always sounds to me like a non-rub Jerry Garcia. Crossed w/ a bit of Roger McGuinn (esp. as heard on 'Eight Miles High', the Byrds' Coltrane rip)

'The Blow Up' is prob. O/P - haven't seen any ROIR releases for ages - but a (French, I think) company called Danceteria did issue it on CD - it's not exactly a rare rec, anyway. There's a vinyl version as well.

The sound quality is just on the edge of tolerable, sadly, but parts of it are

Andrew L, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

''The sound quality is just on the edge of tolerable''

I can cope w/that. I have a 'descension' alb after all.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

found it in one: am playing now to see if giving to julio is an option

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha it sounds like the only mikes in use are the ones billy ficca is using instead of drumsticks => it's a keeper julio, but i can copy you a cassette if you like for saturday (loss of quality = improvement hifi-wise, frankly)

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like looking at the Marquee Moon covah while I listen to Blank Generation.

nathalie, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The second half is kind of a drag, but this album is just full of good ideas that no-one ever really followed up on. I get the same thing out of Marquee Moon that I get out of the second Raincoats album, and maybe YYZ by Rush, and maybe even the Dead if they ever managed to demand any attention -- some sort of Ornette-esque incidental harmony/rhythm thing happening. Those snaky, ringing leads are just awesome, not so much dueling guitars as it's like one guitar played with four hands. It's pretty much the only thing classic about NYC 77, far as I can tell.

Kris, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

One thing I'll always love about ILM is ILMers capacity to be dismissive of amazing records/artists, keep it up guys!

But Marquee Moon definitely deserves all of the hype it gets, and more. I mean any record with "Venus", "Elevation", "Guiding Light" must have something going for it. Sublime.

Anas FK, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark- that would be great. Thanks for the copy!

I would give you a copy of some skullflower though I see what the jetlag is like. Don't know if i have any tapes at home.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

or if you'd like anyhting that i have talked abt.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean any record with "Venus", "Elevation", "Guiding Light" must have something going for it. Sublime.
... Grrrr. True. I need to swap Hell for Venus. It isn't so much that I loathe the music - more the guys who seemed to preach to me how I *had* to like it. No, I don't. Anyway I am in the right mood.

nathalie, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kris blasphemed: "It's pretty much the only thing classic about NYC 77, far as I can tell."

Ummmmm....Ramones anyone? Talking Heads? C'mon!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I totally forgot the Ramones!

Kris, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was trying to think of something bad to say about this record, and I'm afraid I can't do it. Sorry, friend. Overrated? Hardly. Overpraised by a small group of critics? Perhaps.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Television's Marquee Moon influenced a lot of bangladeshis to move to Britain and thus changed English cuisine forever. In the same year, Verlaine also invented the sewing machine.

Pulpo, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"evol" better than "marquee moon" ? you're daft...

mike bott, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yancy: Marquee Moon is the best sex *album*, period.

ME TO FRIEND: "You wanna hear guitars fuck? You do? Well, I've got just the record for you!"

EMBARASSING CONFESSION OF THE YEAR: I masturbated to it as a teenager. Really. It's had quite a bit of influence on my sexuality, and I plan to write an essay on that soon.

Christine "Green Leafy" Indigo, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I meant *Yancey.* Sorry, Yancey.

Christine "Green Leafy" Indigo, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...
The guitar solo on the title track is possibly my favorite guitar solo EVAH. Pure sex, I say. Pure sex.

Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd probably like this record if there were no vocals.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

love love love this album
gold, money, jewels, diamonds

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Marquee Moon is the ultimate expression of what two guitars can really do together. The meshing, the intertwining - guitar parts alternately careening, sometimes colliding, and sometimes nuzzling together like sated lovers.

Very few bands have come close to capturing this sort of synergistic brilliance. Early Treepeople, perhaps. Hot Snakes? It's a fine art, and Lloyd and Verlaine were the absolute masters of this art.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF with people comparing the guitars to sex or freak dancing????

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Get yourself a sense of humor.

Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

What would you compare them to? It's apt. Those guitars fit together like nothing else.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes after we go up the scale and EXPLODE I like to give her a verse reprise coda if you know what I'm saying

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Get yourself a sense of humor.
-- Turangalila (sonorousvessel...), October 12th, 2006.


Get yourself a girlfriend, boyfriend or sex doll. You pick!

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

And guitars are pretty phallic. And didn't Richard Lloyd use to hustle in the mid-70s? It all makes sense dude. Sexy guitars.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Marquee Moon means a bright, white ass.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

hesitatin'

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

And, really, in a strictly physiological sense, the pleasure mechanisms involved in the appreciation of music aren't dissimilar from the ones involved in sex.

Oh, and fuck off, Mr. Que.

Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Then this Cadillac, it puttered back into that graveyard came out before "Wango Tango," right?

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

But really, Mr. Que, if rock and roll doesn't make you think about sex, then what's it good for?

For chrissakes, the very name was a euphemism for the act of fornicating.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Turangalila beat me to the punch.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

You two are like the Wonder Twins of ILM. Except your secret powers are "Form of a sexless shut in," and "shape of a virgin."

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Now here's something else where I play a track in the car, next day a thread (or a mail message) here today.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, Mr Que is repressed. First he gets all puritanical about people comparing MUSIC to SEX, and now he's throwing around grade school sexual insults.

Go find a pumpkin patch.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr. Que, presumably your moronic childishness is intended to demonstrate the vast differences between yourself and a human being. I believe the demonstration has succeeded. Congratulations. Clearly, no matter how much effort you put into it, you can't possibly fail all of the time.

Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys are right. I've been bad and I deserve a SPANKING. Maybe if I'm lucky, whoever punishes me will play Marquee Moon while it happens so I can listen to the rich buttery guitars dripping sex (GUITARS ARE PHALLIC ROCK AND ROLL=EUPFAMISM FOR SEXING WHEEE) but seriously, if you guys want to keep comparing guitar solos to intertwined lovers, I'm all ears and I need a good laugh today.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What a dumb choice for an album to attempt to dismiss. It's not like many people have even heard it. The fucking thing never sold more than like 100,000 copies.

"Marquee Moon" too long? That's impossible. On The Blow-Up, even though the sound sucks, it's 14:45 and too short. On Live At The Old Waldorf, it sounds amazing, and at 15:45, I'm still wanting more. There's a live disc in Tom Verlaine's A Miller's Tale compilation that has incredible sound, with a 13:58 version. It's not nearly long enough. The song has reached over 17 minutes, but I don't know of any recordings of it. Plenty of rockers have been inspired by John Coltrane, from The Byrds to John McLaughlin & Carlos Santana's Love, Devotion, Surrender (1972), and nothing beats "Marquee Moon." The very first chords hit that rare sweet spot that never fail to send chills up the spine. It's eerie, a little melancholy, electrifying.

Television has inspired plenty of obsessive acolytes, including The Feelies, Felt, and more recently, Sonic Youth (hear "Rain On Tin"). Yet nothing quite matches Marquee Moon's peculiar dry guitar sound and telepathic, serpentine interplay. Overrated? Fucking hogwash. Just try to find an album that surpasses what Marquee Moon accomplished.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

fastnbulbous otm - this album owns all

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Marquee Moon is the ultimate expression of what two guitars can really do together. The meshing, the intertwining - guitar parts alternately careening, sometimes colliding, and sometimes nuzzling together like sated lovers.

Very few bands have come close to capturing this sort of synergistic brilliance. Early Treepeople, perhaps. Hot Snakes? It's a fine art, and Lloyd and Verlaine were the absolute masters of this art.

-- Brooker Buckingham (brooker...), October 12th, 2006. (Brooker B)

OH YEAH ASSHOLE, YOUVE HEARD A TON OF MUSIC

Maf54 (plsmith), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw the Feelies, OK, Glenn Mercer, Dave Weckerman, Brenda Sauter, Vinny Dinunzio and a guitarist who wasn't Bill Million capably standing in playing at Maxwells a few weeks ago, Glenn as a solo artist performs w/ Dave and Vinny and Brenda's band was opening, anyway, they covered See No Evil and goddamn did they look like they were having fun.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

http://musicangle.com/upload_images/PhotoGallery/The%20Allman.jpg

Maf54 (plsmith), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey the Hot Snakes have some pretty awesome dueling guitar riffs! Don't fuck with that.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean i like both bands ok

Maf54 (plsmith), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Never understood the 'genius' of Marquee Moon, massively overrated.

zeus (zeus), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta admit, its musically questionable connections with "punk" made it one of the slower-burners of my canon-grabs back in high school.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I forget if it was Bangs or Meltzer (or Meltzer quoting Bangs or vica versa) who had the thing about seeing a bunch of people applaud Television as they reached the end of its scale run on "MM" like it was the goddamn Grateful Dead.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

zwan get the blow up - fuxxor owns all

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, I only got Adventure (GREAT hangover music) a year ago because of said slow burn. I'll definitely grab BU if I see it cheap some day.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

the urinalysis of fire (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link

Sorry

the urinalysis of fire (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link

. that part sounds like a burst of Fichelscher-era Popol Vuh to me (shimmery pastoral guitars, even if it's just for a tiny moment)

I always think of this part as a callback to the many moments of birdsong imitation in romantic music like Mahler Delius Wagner etc where the strings get all hushed and the woodwinds imitate birdies. But it does sound like Danny too!

the urinalysis of fire (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link

They always sound punk even in the midst of major pastoralism.

That's ludicrous to me. The basics need to have a component of ugliness.

The boots I heard sound a lot better - a sound which is hinted at and not really captured on the LP.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 09:10 (ten years ago) link

I don't know, maybe I shouldn't have said always. And maybe pastoralism isn't quite right either. I hear "Venus" and it sounds like a breakthrough, though. There's bite to the guitars and the whole thing is stark and skeletal.

timellison, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link

Its true there is a bite at times...thinking about it, sorry I called it 'ludicrous'...more like er, interesting word choices...

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link

that part sounds like a burst of Fichelscher-era Popol Vuh to me (shimmery pastoral guitars, even if it's just for a tiny moment)

Meanwhile, the second half of "Du tränke mich mit Deinen Küssen" (on "Das Hohelied Salomos"), when the guitars start kicking in, always reminds me of Television.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2014 11:50 (ten years ago) link


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