I had always thought that rock critics in the late-70's created this myth of Graham Parker for the same reason they built up Elvis Costello: the vast majority of these critics looked like GP and EC...
― henry s, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post -- Minor details!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
But did any of those rock critics ever make time with Bebe Buell?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Graham Parker surely didn't
― Tom D., Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Billy Altman might have...
― henry s, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
i never noticed before that between the red and blue books, they switched from "jazz" to "folk" in the list of genres on the cover copy. what happened between the late '70s and early '80s to warrant that change? how many late-night meetings did it take to get it done?
See upthread. The Blue edition was accompanied by a separate (yellow) book called The Rolling Stone Jazz Record Guide. Not close to being as comprehensive as the Penguin guides, but a fair amount of relatively obscure labels were represented (ESP, Soul Note, possibly an FMP or two).
― Sara Sara Sara, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Some 4- and 5-star ratings in the red book, turning into 2- and 3-star ratings in the blue edition, was what made me realize that "the critics" were mainly to be used more as a discographical resource, and less so as guides.
― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Another oddity about the red book: The discographies were all presented alphabetically rather than chronologically, even tho the catalog numbers were all dutifully included.
As regards reference books, this one was invaluable/unbeatable:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2386809815_301edcd3d9.jpg?v=0
Twenty years on, my copy's kinda ragged but still in one piece, thanks to the masking tape reinforcing the last page.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link
the revised ratings might also be an indication that critics can change and/or revise their opinions from time to time (e.g., marquee moon sounded like a 3-star record to marsh in 1979, but a two-star record in 1983).
― Lawrence the Looter, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link
i like marsh's "1,000 best records" book (or was it 5,000? or, um, 500? i haven't actually read it in years), tho i think i like it more as a list of great records than actual criticism.
― J.D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I have the blue one, and it is in three pieces now.
Still no answer to Roxy's original question!
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link
No doubt, no doubt. I'm all for critics getting a better view of something with a little time/distance. But my point stands.
― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 02:26 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post
Isn't Marsh notorious in prog-rock circles because he's the one that fights tooth-and-nail to keep the Moody Blues/Yes/Genesis 70s prog bands out of the R&R HOF? Maybe it had something to do with that.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 02:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I was told that Iggy said "Thanks a lot, fuckers" at the televised opening of the R&R HOF. Maybe Marsh was responsible for their being there/playing in the first place (Detriot connex)!?
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link
all this red vs blue talk is confusing me.
In case it wasn't clear, red is 1979, blue is 1983, and red, white, and blue (and black) is 1992 and hands down the worst as these OTM remarks attest to:
Later editions suffered ridiculously from Marsh's non-involvement and from the utter lack of half-literate music writers.
blows all those later stick-up-the-butt editions out of the water.
Haven't seen any subsequent editions.
THE worst aspect of the red edition. Even worse the years aren't listed. Who on earth thought alphabetically was a good idea?
But there are sooooo many other wacky things I love about the early editions though, like the one word reviews (e.g. Chase - Flee or Phyrework - Pheh), the "(artist) for (type of listeners)" constructions (e.g. Yma Sumac - "Patti Smith for xenophiles" or The Village People - "Kiss for grownups") or the scandalously say-nothing one-liners (Cats: "Bad mid-seventies rock band" or Hot City: "Disco product").
Wackiest of all is that this review of Jim Steinman's Bad for Good, reproduced below in its six-word entirety, was written by two (2!!) people (Wayne King and Debbie Geller): "Good for nothing, more like it."
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link
That should be Hott City, disco friends.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link
You dudes got sidetracked on this thread.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 05:59 (fifteen years ago) link
i like marsh's "1,000 best records" book (or was it 5,000? or, um, 500? i haven't actually read it in years)
1,001; and that was the book that single-handedly got me interested in rock journalism/criticism - so I'll forever be indebted to Mr. Marsh.
― Joseph McCombs, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 07:13 (fifteen years ago) link
red, white, and blue (and black) is 1992 and hands down the worst
There was a more recent edition, in 2004. It's not much more than a sad joke.
― Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
He's a horse's ass if he's blocking prog bands from the HOF, which is a stupid institution as it is.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Why do prog fans complain that their faves aren't in the HoF, and in the same breath say, "Yeah, well, the HoF is stupid anyway!" ? If you really think the HoF is stupid, your favorite band not being inducted should be a badge of honor.
― Sara Sara Sara, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Point taken. But even if I think it's a stupid waste of space (which I do), that doesn't necessarily mean that Geddy Lee, Jon Andersen or Robert Fripp feel the same way. And if Marsh is denying these guys an honor they deserve for some unreasonable categorical reason, then as a fan I have it in my rights to say he's an asshole.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Were there also controversial different editions of The Harmony Illustrated Encyclopedia of Rock?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Came across this and asked where the lists came fromhttp://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/steveparker/index.htm
It's from the New Book Of Rock Lists, 1994, by Dave Marsh and James Bernard. Many of the lists -- this among them -- are updated from the 1981 edition, and there's also a slew of additional lists.― Tarfumes The Escape Goat,
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat,
some good and some strange lists there that some of you may enjoy
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
Pedro Bell’s Favorite Album Covers of All TimeIn alphabetical order. Pedro Bell – aka Capt Draw – composed the intricate, urban sci-fi flavoured covers for eight Funkadelic albums, as well as all of George Clinton’s solo albums.1. Abraxas – Santana2. Brain Salad Surgery – ELP3. Chief – Dewey Terry4. Come Go With Us – Pockets5. Cross Collateral – Passport6. Doremi Fasol Latido – Hawkwind7. Evolution – Malo8. Fiddler on the Rock – Sugarcane Harris9. Hardcore Jollies – Funkadelic10. Heartbeat City – Cars11. Honey – Ohio Players12. Hustler’s Convention – Lightning Rod13. Live – World of Ike & Tina14. New Hope for the Wretched – Plasmatics15. Nightmares – J Geils Band16. Nuggets: Original Artyfacts of the Psychedelic Era – Various Artists17. Rock & Roll Queen – Mott the Hoople18. School’s Out – Alice Cooper19. Stepping – Pointer Sisters20. Tales of Topographic Oceans – Yes21. Technical Ecstasy – Black Sabbath22. Clones of Dr Funkenstein – Parliament23. Electric Spanking of War Babies – Funkadelic24. They Say I’m Different – Betty Davis
In alphabetical order. Pedro Bell – aka Capt Draw – composed the intricate, urban sci-fi flavoured covers for eight Funkadelic albums, as well as all of George Clinton’s solo albums.
1. Abraxas – Santana2. Brain Salad Surgery – ELP3. Chief – Dewey Terry4. Come Go With Us – Pockets5. Cross Collateral – Passport6. Doremi Fasol Latido – Hawkwind7. Evolution – Malo8. Fiddler on the Rock – Sugarcane Harris9. Hardcore Jollies – Funkadelic10. Heartbeat City – Cars11. Honey – Ohio Players12. Hustler’s Convention – Lightning Rod13. Live – World of Ike & Tina14. New Hope for the Wretched – Plasmatics15. Nightmares – J Geils Band16. Nuggets: Original Artyfacts of the Psychedelic Era – Various Artists17. Rock & Roll Queen – Mott the Hoople18. School’s Out – Alice Cooper19. Stepping – Pointer Sisters20. Tales of Topographic Oceans – Yes21. Technical Ecstasy – Black Sabbath22. Clones of Dr Funkenstein – Parliament23. Electric Spanking of War Babies – Funkadelic24. They Say I’m Different – Betty Davis
One Shakey mo will like
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
Larry Flick Picks the 50 Greatest Dance HitsLarry Flick is the dance music editor at Billboard.1. Last Dance – Donna Summer2. Vogue – Madonna3. Rock Lobster – B 52s4. Into the Groove – Madonna5. Disco Inferno – Trammps6. Land of 1000 Dances – Chris Kenner7. Le Freak – Chic8. Stroll – Diamonds9. Turn the Beat Around – Vicki Sue Robinson10. He’s the Greatest Dancer – Sister Sledge11. One Nation Under a Groove – Funkadelic12. Loco Motion – Little Eva13. Dance with Me – Peter Brown14. Conga – Miami Sound Machine15. Work Your Body – Taana Gardner16. Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin’ On – Jerry Lee Lewis17. Get Down Tonight – KC & the Sunshine Band18. Cool Jerk – Capitols19. (Dance) Disco Heat – Sylvester20. Workin’ Day & Night – Michael Jackson21. Rock with You – Michael Jackson22. Goin’ to a Go Go – Miracles23. I’ve Got the Next Dance – Deniece Williams24. You Make Me Feel Like Dancin’ – Leo Sayer25. You Should Be Dancin’ – Bee Gees26. Shadow Dancin’ – Andy Gibb27. Dancing Queen – Abba28. Dancing in the Sheets – Shalamar29. Twist – Chubby Checker30. No Parking on the Dancefloor – Midnight Starr31. Le Spank – Le Pampelmoose32. Do You Love Me – Contours33. At the Hop – Danny & the Juniors34. Mashed Potato Time – Dee Dee Sharp35. Blame It on the Boogie – Jacksons36. Disco Nights (Rock, Freak) – GQ37. Night Fever – Bee Gees38. Keep on Dancin’ – Gary’s Gang39. Hustle, the – Van McCoy & the Soul City Symphony40. Get Off – Foxy41. Party Lights – Natalie Cole42. Sidewalk Talk – Jellybean43. Jingo – Candido44. Tighten Up – Archie Bell & the Drells45. Shake It Up Tonight – Cheryl Lynn46. Do Ya Wanna Funk – Sylvester47. Ain’t That a Groove – James Brown48. Everybody Dance – Chic49. Rock Around the Clock – Billy Haley & the Comets50. Save the Last Dance for Me – DriftersGreatest Dance Bands1. Trammps2. Sly & the Family Stone3. Gap Band4. Kool & the Gang5. Time, the6. JBs7. Chic8. Parliament-Funkadelic9. Walker, Jr & the All Stars10. Cameo11. Commodores12. Isley Brothers13. Brown, Chuck & the Soul Searchers14. Brass Construction15. War16. Earth, Wind & Fire17. Prince & the Revolution18. Ohio Players19. Toni Tone Tony20. RufusTop 25 Disco Hits1. I Feel Love – Donna Summer2. At Midnight – T Connection3. Let No Man Put Asunder – First Choice4. Relight My Fire – Dan Hartman5. Got to be Real – Cheryl Lynn6. Turn the Beat Around – Vicki Sue Robinson7. MacArthur Park Suite – Donna Summer8. Brazil – Ritchie Family9. Heart to Break the Heart – France Joli10. Love & Desire – Arpeggio11. There But for the Grace of God – Machine12. I’m Coming Out – Diana Ross13. It’s Raining Men – Weather Girls14. In the Name of Love – Sharon Redd15. More Than a Woman – Tavares16. Boss, the – Diana Ross17. Take Me Home – Cher18. Heaven Must Have Sent You – Bonnie Pointer19. Heaven Must be Missing an Angel – Tavares20. I Will Survive – Gloria Gaynor21. Touch & Go – Ecstasy, Passion & Pain22. Love Sensation – Lolleata Holloway23. Doctor Love – First Choice24. Boogie Wonderland – Earth Wind & Fire25. Love’s Theme – Love Unlimited OrchestraSound of Philadelphia: Philadelphia’s 20 Best Disco RecordsAlphabetical order.1. Ain’t No Stoppin’ Us Now – McFadden & Whitehead2. Ask Me – Ecstasy, Passion & Pain3. Bad Luck – Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes4. Dirty Ol’ Man – Three Degrees5. Disco Inferno – Trammps6. Do It Anyway You Wanna – People’s Choice7. Doctor Love – First Choice8. For the Love of Money – O’Jays9. I Love Music – O’Jays10. I’ll Always Love My Mama – Intruders11. Livin’ for the Weekend – O’Jays12. Love Epidemic – Trammps13. Love Train – O’Jays14. Only You – Teddy Pendergrass15. That’s Where the Happy People Go – Trammps16. Love I Lost – Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes17. TSOP (the Sound of Philadelphia) – MFSB18. Turn the Beat Around – Vicki Sue Robinson19. When Will I See You Again – Three Degrees20. Where Do We Go from Here – TrammpsWorst Disco Records1. D’Ya Think I’m Sexy – Rod Stewart2. Miss You – Rolling Stones3. Disco Duck – Rick Dees & His Cast of Idiots4. Funky Town – Lipps Inc5. Grease – Frankie Valli6. Lady Bump – Penny McClain7. Dance a Little Bit Closer – Charo8. Get Dancin’ – Disco Tek & the Sex-O-Lettes9. This Girls’ Back in Town – Raquel Welch10. Love Rush – Ann Margaret11. Shame, Shame, Shame – Shirley & Co12. Ain’t Gonna Bump No More (with No Big Fat Woman) – Joe Tex15 Best Disco Albums1. Bad Girls – Donna Summer2. Once Upon a Time – Donna Summer3. Saturday Night Fever (Soundtrack) – Bee Gees/Various Artists4. Dr Buzzard’s Original Savannah Band – same title5. Step Two – Sylvester6. Chic – Chic7. Diana – Diana Ross8. Village People – same title9. Never Gonna Let You Go – Vicki Sue Robinson10. Four Seasons of Love – Donna Summer11. Megatron Man – Patrick Cowley12. We Are Family – Sister Sledge13. Like an Eagle – Dennis Parker14. Supernature – Cerrone15. From Here to Eternity – Giorgio [Moroder]10 Greatest Acts from the Disco Era – Compiled by Larry Flick1. Summer, Donna2. Sylvester3. Village People4. Chic5. Cerrone6. Bee Gees7. Tavares8. First Choice9. Sister Sledge10. Salsoul OrchestraThe Top Disco Producers1. Rodgers, Nile & Bernard Edwards2. Moroder, Giorgio & Pete Bellotte3. Morali, Jacques & Henri Belolo (Village People, Ritchie Family)4. Cowley, Patrick (himself, Sylvester)5. Cerrone6. Hartman, Dan7. Montanta Jr, Vincent (Salsoul Orchestra)8. Jabara, Paul (himself, Donna Summer, Weather Girls)9. White, Barry10. Richardson, Karl & Albhy Galuten (Bee Gees)Best House Hits1. Love Can’t Turn Around – JM Silk2. Move Your Body – Marshall Jefferson3. That’s the Way Love is – Ten City4. Jack Your Body – JM Silk5. Whistle Song – Frankie Knuckles6. Gypsy Woman – Crystal Waters7. French Kiss – Lil’ Louis & the World8. Baby Wants to Ride – Jamie Principle9. This is Acid – Maurice10. Finally – CeCe Peniston11. Pride (A Deeper Love) – Clivilles & Cole12. Don’t Lose the Magic – Shawn Christopher13. Where Love Lives – Allison Limerick14. Power of Love – Deee Lite15. Another Sleepless Night – Shawn ChristopherBest House DJs1. Frankie Knuckles2. Hardy, Ron3. Levan, Larry4. Morales, David5. Vega, Little Louis6. Vasquez, Junior7. Humphries, Tony8. MacIntosh, CJ9. Benitez, John ‘Jellybean’10. Pickering, MikeBest House Producers1. Hurley, Steve ‘Silk’2. Morales, David3. Jefferson, Marshall4. Frankie Knuckles5. Joshua, Maurice6. Vega, Little Louis & Kenny ‘Dope’ Gonzalez7. Sanchez, Roger8. Mood II Swing9. Pettibone, Shep10. Clivilles, Robert & David Cole11. Brothers in Rhythm12. Snack Productions13. Musto, Tommy14. Chandler, Kerri15. Basement Boys
Larry Flick is the dance music editor at Billboard.
1. Last Dance – Donna Summer2. Vogue – Madonna3. Rock Lobster – B 52s4. Into the Groove – Madonna5. Disco Inferno – Trammps6. Land of 1000 Dances – Chris Kenner7. Le Freak – Chic8. Stroll – Diamonds9. Turn the Beat Around – Vicki Sue Robinson10. He’s the Greatest Dancer – Sister Sledge11. One Nation Under a Groove – Funkadelic12. Loco Motion – Little Eva13. Dance with Me – Peter Brown14. Conga – Miami Sound Machine15. Work Your Body – Taana Gardner16. Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin’ On – Jerry Lee Lewis17. Get Down Tonight – KC & the Sunshine Band18. Cool Jerk – Capitols19. (Dance) Disco Heat – Sylvester20. Workin’ Day & Night – Michael Jackson21. Rock with You – Michael Jackson22. Goin’ to a Go Go – Miracles23. I’ve Got the Next Dance – Deniece Williams24. You Make Me Feel Like Dancin’ – Leo Sayer25. You Should Be Dancin’ – Bee Gees26. Shadow Dancin’ – Andy Gibb27. Dancing Queen – Abba28. Dancing in the Sheets – Shalamar29. Twist – Chubby Checker30. No Parking on the Dancefloor – Midnight Starr31. Le Spank – Le Pampelmoose32. Do You Love Me – Contours33. At the Hop – Danny & the Juniors34. Mashed Potato Time – Dee Dee Sharp35. Blame It on the Boogie – Jacksons36. Disco Nights (Rock, Freak) – GQ37. Night Fever – Bee Gees38. Keep on Dancin’ – Gary’s Gang39. Hustle, the – Van McCoy & the Soul City Symphony40. Get Off – Foxy41. Party Lights – Natalie Cole42. Sidewalk Talk – Jellybean43. Jingo – Candido44. Tighten Up – Archie Bell & the Drells45. Shake It Up Tonight – Cheryl Lynn46. Do Ya Wanna Funk – Sylvester47. Ain’t That a Groove – James Brown48. Everybody Dance – Chic49. Rock Around the Clock – Billy Haley & the Comets50. Save the Last Dance for Me – Drifters
Greatest Dance Bands
1. Trammps2. Sly & the Family Stone3. Gap Band4. Kool & the Gang5. Time, the6. JBs7. Chic8. Parliament-Funkadelic9. Walker, Jr & the All Stars10. Cameo11. Commodores12. Isley Brothers13. Brown, Chuck & the Soul Searchers14. Brass Construction15. War16. Earth, Wind & Fire17. Prince & the Revolution18. Ohio Players19. Toni Tone Tony20. Rufus
Top 25 Disco Hits
1. I Feel Love – Donna Summer2. At Midnight – T Connection3. Let No Man Put Asunder – First Choice4. Relight My Fire – Dan Hartman5. Got to be Real – Cheryl Lynn6. Turn the Beat Around – Vicki Sue Robinson7. MacArthur Park Suite – Donna Summer8. Brazil – Ritchie Family9. Heart to Break the Heart – France Joli10. Love & Desire – Arpeggio11. There But for the Grace of God – Machine12. I’m Coming Out – Diana Ross13. It’s Raining Men – Weather Girls14. In the Name of Love – Sharon Redd15. More Than a Woman – Tavares16. Boss, the – Diana Ross17. Take Me Home – Cher18. Heaven Must Have Sent You – Bonnie Pointer19. Heaven Must be Missing an Angel – Tavares20. I Will Survive – Gloria Gaynor21. Touch & Go – Ecstasy, Passion & Pain22. Love Sensation – Lolleata Holloway23. Doctor Love – First Choice24. Boogie Wonderland – Earth Wind & Fire25. Love’s Theme – Love Unlimited Orchestra
Sound of Philadelphia: Philadelphia’s 20 Best Disco Records
Alphabetical order.
1. Ain’t No Stoppin’ Us Now – McFadden & Whitehead2. Ask Me – Ecstasy, Passion & Pain3. Bad Luck – Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes4. Dirty Ol’ Man – Three Degrees5. Disco Inferno – Trammps6. Do It Anyway You Wanna – People’s Choice7. Doctor Love – First Choice8. For the Love of Money – O’Jays9. I Love Music – O’Jays10. I’ll Always Love My Mama – Intruders11. Livin’ for the Weekend – O’Jays12. Love Epidemic – Trammps13. Love Train – O’Jays14. Only You – Teddy Pendergrass15. That’s Where the Happy People Go – Trammps16. Love I Lost – Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes17. TSOP (the Sound of Philadelphia) – MFSB18. Turn the Beat Around – Vicki Sue Robinson19. When Will I See You Again – Three Degrees20. Where Do We Go from Here – Trammps
Worst Disco Records
1. D’Ya Think I’m Sexy – Rod Stewart2. Miss You – Rolling Stones3. Disco Duck – Rick Dees & His Cast of Idiots4. Funky Town – Lipps Inc5. Grease – Frankie Valli6. Lady Bump – Penny McClain7. Dance a Little Bit Closer – Charo8. Get Dancin’ – Disco Tek & the Sex-O-Lettes9. This Girls’ Back in Town – Raquel Welch10. Love Rush – Ann Margaret11. Shame, Shame, Shame – Shirley & Co12. Ain’t Gonna Bump No More (with No Big Fat Woman) – Joe Tex
15 Best Disco Albums
1. Bad Girls – Donna Summer2. Once Upon a Time – Donna Summer3. Saturday Night Fever (Soundtrack) – Bee Gees/Various Artists4. Dr Buzzard’s Original Savannah Band – same title5. Step Two – Sylvester6. Chic – Chic7. Diana – Diana Ross8. Village People – same title9. Never Gonna Let You Go – Vicki Sue Robinson10. Four Seasons of Love – Donna Summer11. Megatron Man – Patrick Cowley12. We Are Family – Sister Sledge13. Like an Eagle – Dennis Parker14. Supernature – Cerrone15. From Here to Eternity – Giorgio [Moroder]
10 Greatest Acts from the Disco Era – Compiled by Larry Flick
1. Summer, Donna2. Sylvester3. Village People4. Chic5. Cerrone6. Bee Gees7. Tavares8. First Choice9. Sister Sledge10. Salsoul Orchestra
The Top Disco Producers
1. Rodgers, Nile & Bernard Edwards2. Moroder, Giorgio & Pete Bellotte3. Morali, Jacques & Henri Belolo (Village People, Ritchie Family)4. Cowley, Patrick (himself, Sylvester)5. Cerrone6. Hartman, Dan7. Montanta Jr, Vincent (Salsoul Orchestra)8. Jabara, Paul (himself, Donna Summer, Weather Girls)9. White, Barry10. Richardson, Karl & Albhy Galuten (Bee Gees)
Best House Hits
1. Love Can’t Turn Around – JM Silk2. Move Your Body – Marshall Jefferson3. That’s the Way Love is – Ten City4. Jack Your Body – JM Silk5. Whistle Song – Frankie Knuckles6. Gypsy Woman – Crystal Waters7. French Kiss – Lil’ Louis & the World8. Baby Wants to Ride – Jamie Principle9. This is Acid – Maurice10. Finally – CeCe Peniston11. Pride (A Deeper Love) – Clivilles & Cole12. Don’t Lose the Magic – Shawn Christopher13. Where Love Lives – Allison Limerick14. Power of Love – Deee Lite15. Another Sleepless Night – Shawn Christopher
Best House DJs
1. Frankie Knuckles2. Hardy, Ron3. Levan, Larry4. Morales, David5. Vega, Little Louis6. Vasquez, Junior7. Humphries, Tony8. MacIntosh, CJ9. Benitez, John ‘Jellybean’10. Pickering, Mike
Best House Producers
1. Hurley, Steve ‘Silk’2. Morales, David3. Jefferson, Marshall4. Frankie Knuckles5. Joshua, Maurice6. Vega, Little Louis & Kenny ‘Dope’ Gonzalez7. Sanchez, Roger8. Mood II Swing9. Pettibone, Shep10. Clivilles, Robert & David Cole11. Brothers in Rhythm12. Snack Productions13. Musto, Tommy14. Chandler, Kerri15. Basement Boys
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 8 February 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
So somehow one of the ten best disco producers (Vincent Montana Jr.) and one of the ten greatest disco acts (Salsoul Orchestra) teamed up to make one of the ten worst disco records ("Dance a Little Bit Closer" by Charo)...?
― Josefa, Saturday, 9 February 2013 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
This looks interesting:
https://landofhopeanddreams.co/
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 00:40 (three years ago) link
There was some more talk about Dave Marsh in the boring classic albums thread, not very celebratory.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 01:51 (three years ago) link
Various potentially interesting ones- Springsteen talking to Nona Hendryx; I think the guy Marsh is talking to on one spotlight conversation is a guy who wrote a decent Sam Cooke bio
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 01:54 (three years ago) link
I signed up for the Creem one (with Chuck Eddy) and the one after that.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 02:01 (three years ago) link
Never heard any follow-up about Marsh after those Zoomcasts last year--his non-appearance made you wonder about his health--but a friend sent this along today, set to come out in August.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Kick-Out-the-Jams/Dave-Marsh/9781982197162
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 03:25 (one year ago) link
I don’t have satellite radio, but he has continued to host his weekly shows over the past year or so. Definitely looking forward to the book; hopefully there’s no overlap with Fortunate Son.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 22 January 2023 12:00 (one year ago) link
A new collection (came out of those Zoomcasts, I think):
I'll likely buy it at some point.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 August 2023 13:23 (eight months ago) link
Just got the book yesterday, haven't dug in yet, but I'd already seen a number of these pieces. They date from 1984 through 2019 (? I think) and had previously appeared in Musician, Addicted To Noise, Rolling Stone (he wrote a piece or two long after he'd left), Rock & Rap Confidential, and The Nation, among others. The postscript is by Pete Townshend, and it's kind of hilarious. It also explains why Dave's 2002 piece excoriating Pete for saying "I am grateful for American military might" doesn't appear.
(full disclosure: I emailed Pete's post to Dave, who wrote a column in response, posted to a now-defunct site whose name escapes me. It ultimately led to Pete's site getting briefly shut down, and all posts and comments were removed once it came back up.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 August 2023 13:54 (eight months ago) link
https://slate.com/culture/2023/08/dave-marsh-new-book-best-music-critics.html
Kind of fluffy ode to Dave Marsh re new book collection and older efforts too
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 August 2023 14:22 (eight months ago) link
Marsh on Tina Turner's Acid Queen:
The material also seems ill-chosen, given the enormous body of work from which to choose. For instance: Why Led Zeppelin’s “Whole Lotta Love,” the original of which relies almost entirely upon the dynamic interplay between guitar and voice to succeed, rather than Bad Company’s “Feel Like Making Love,” which, while expressing the same blatant sexuality, at least possesses a real melody?
The four Ike Turner originals on side two are at least written in an idiom that the singer comprehends. If the best of them, “Baby — Get It On,” relies upon vocal discourse between the duo reminiscent of nothing so much as Sonny & Cher in blackface, it’s still not nearly so pathetic as this once-great singer pushing herself through a series of songs without either desire or understanding.
Yeeeeesh....
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 05:42 (seven months ago) link
http://d28hgpri8am2if.cloudfront.net/book_images/onix/cvr9781982197162/kick-out-the-jams-9781982197162_xlg.jpg
Kick Out the JamsJibes, Barbs, Tributes, and Rallying Cries from 35 Years of Music WritingBy Dave Marsh
Spanning three decades worth of astute, acerbic, and overall astounding music writing, Kick Out the Jams is the first large-scale anthology of the work of renowned critic Dave Marsh. Ranging from Elvis Presley to Kurt Cobain, from Nina Simone to Ani DiFranco, from the Beatles to Green Day, the book gives an opinionated, eye-opening overview of 20th century popular music—offering a portrait not just of an era but of a writer wrestling with the American empire.
Every essay bears the distinct Dave Marsh attitude and voice. That passion is evident in a heart-wrenching piece on Cobain’s suicide and legacy; a humorous attack on “Bono’s bullshit;” an indignant look at James Brown and the FBI; deep, revelatory probes into the work of underappreciated artists like Patty Griffin and Alejandro Escovedo; and inspiring insight into what drives Marsh as a writer, namely “a raging passion to explain things in the hope that others would not be trapped and to keep the way clear so that others from the trashy outskirts of barbarous America still had a place to stand—if not in the culture at large, at least in rock and roll.”
If you want to explore the recent history of pop music—its politics as well as its performers—Kick Out the Jams is the perfect guidebook.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:50 (seven months ago) link
a book investigating why collections like this 100000% never use prog bands as touchstones would be interesting
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:01 (seven months ago) link