your favorite of the mark kozelek canon

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"..Ocean Beach was actually a lot better to my ears!" - I agree. Ocean Beach is more cohesive than its forebears & despite the hefty length of some tracks, seems more concise as well. MK shows noticeable improvement in his guitar-playing abilities (though these are really best experienced through SFABG & the Sun Kil Moon record). It is a record that rewards patience.

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to really like wop-a-din-din until I figured out it was about a cat

bujar, Friday, 20 May 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

that's funny-thats why i like it

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, that's one reason I like it too

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

There have been loads of great Kozelek tracks named on this thread, and I'd say most of the ones listed are favourites. I'll add a couple that I love:

Uncle Joe
Smokey (demo version from the Shanti project disc, NOT the version on Old Ramon)
Ruth Marie
Up To My Neck In You (ac dc cover)

Michael and Katy Song are definitely my favourites.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm excited about michael, seems like the one thing everyon's agreeing on - i hope its so good it gives me an epileptic seizure.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I've only heard the first two RHP LPs a few select tracks elsewhere. "Medicine Bottle" wins out for me. It's the musical equivalent of having your heart ripped out and then shoved back in your chest upside-down.

Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, that's what it feels like it does to me.

Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

what's he like live these days? he's playing round the corner from me in a couple of weeks, and i've never seen him but always wanted to...

toby (tsg20), Saturday, 21 May 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Amazing live. go for it.

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Saturday, 21 May 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, here's something I've been curious about for a while. Is Glenn Tipton on the Sun Kil Moon album about a serial killer?

"I buried my first victim when I was nineteen
Went through her bedroom and the pockets of her jeans
Found her letters that said so many things that really hurt me bad
I'll never breath her name again", etc.

Or do I just have a demented imagination? (apologies on any lyrics I've misheard...of course, that might be the whole problem...)

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

If you look at the opening of the song, which is as follows:

"Cassius Clay was hated more than Sonny Liston
Some like KK Downing more than Glenn Tipton
Some like Jim Nabors, some Bobby Vinton
I like 'em all"

He's comparing Downing to Tipton, and both were guitarists for Judas Priest. So I assume that's the only Tipton he's referring to in the song. I also read that the Eleanor in the song is an old friend of his.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sorry, I should have worded my query "Is this verse on the song Glenn Tipton about a serial killer"

jedidiah (jedidiah), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Not sure about that. However, if you google search the song title and serial killer you'll see that a few other people read that into the song.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I certainly read the murderer angle into the song. The moment where he takes on that guise ("I buried my first victim") it chilled me. Very effective.

The pinnacle is still "Medicine Bottle" to me, though "Cruiser" comes very close.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost re Glenn Tipton

1. The song takes its name from the Priest guitarist, but is not narrated by him

2. The "serial killer" verse is as ambiguous as his relationship with the girl in question. "Buried" and "victim" can be read as metaphors for the ways early romantic love goes wrong, or they could be quite literal. IMHO it's that tension, and the light it casts on the ways of love etc that makes this verse interesting.

Kind of like the tension in "Carry Me Ohio" - can't count all the lovers I've burned through/so why do I still burn for you? vs. sorry that I could never love you back...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

what's he like live these days? he's playing round the corner from me in a couple of weeks, and i've never seen him but always wanted to...
-- toby (toby_insertmysurnameher...), May 21st, 2005.


Amazing live. go for it.
-- Chris 'Crusty' V (thebing...), May 21st, 2005.

He is amazing live, and it's worth going. But do be prepared to mostly stand around swaying and nodding your head while squinting a bit with that "listening intently" look.

Roll he does; r0x0r he does not.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw him do a solo set a few weeks ago, and the audience was very rapt. It was a bit odd - for many of the songs, he'd start playing, then audience would recognize the song and then do the "Ahh, I recognize this song - I love this song!" applause at the beginning. I mean, I'd expect that at like a Simon and Garfunkel concert or something...

Go see him! "Mistress" was unbelievable.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 28 May 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"things mean a lot"

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 28 May 2005 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

ned has a point though, it's really difficult to sit through all of the rollercoaster album in one sitting

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 28 May 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Got my ticket to see him (in Bristol) next week. Am polishing up my swaying, nodding and squinting.

My fave individual track is probably still "Katy Song", but I do like the Sun Kil Moon record a lot.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Sunday, 29 May 2005 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link

how was it? did you go yet? my obsession has gotten stronger than before b/c now i'm inspired to make adjunct lesbian wolf animation to a part of Trailways ... where it just turns into guitar. i was listening to that and just got totally INSPIRED. good god.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Pretty stoked to see Kozelek in Chicago tonight - but I bet my buddies at the Archers of Loaf reunion show are gonna have more fun!

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 8 July 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

I'd really like to see him tour with a band. Never saw Red House Painters or Sun Kil Moon...

john. a resident of chicago., Friday, 8 July 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

Katy Song

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 9 July 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

disappointed me when i heard anecdotes that red house painters were super douches.

grace cathedral park or mistress piano version.

i p much don't like that many of their songs, but the ones i do i fucking love.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 9 July 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

yeah it would be nice if he'd tour with a band again. I don' think SKM ever toured as a band; he did one show in SF with a band though, kind of.

although to be honest...I saw RHP a LOT and they could be pretty boring. I mean I adore those albums but sometimes it got kind of dull.

akm, Saturday, 9 July 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

"The only thing I miss about playing with a band is having a guitar tech — a guy that hands me my guitars between songs and is responsible for tuning them. That’s really all I miss."

http://www.sunkilmoon.com/interviewCameronCrowe.html

john. a resident of chicago., Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Really love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nSuTSyymvU

and I think I re-sold the last Kozelek album I bought/was fairly non-plussed by the last Album Leaf album (though have loved other stuff by them both).

djh, Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link

katy song, nothing by kozelek has ever touched me like this slowly blossoming song.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Sunday, 9 June 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link

Evil
Down Through
Things Mean A Lot

MaresNest, Sunday, 9 June 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link

Bumped ... just because "Perils from the Sea" is so lovely.

djh, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:29 (ten years ago) link

It's fantastic, but I find I need to listen to it from start to finish to really appreciate it.

Simon H., Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link

There a definite highlights for me, particularly "Gustavo".

Could easily have missed this as was underwhelmed by the last albums by both Kozelek and Album Leaf.

djh, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link

More new stuff coming up:

http://www.caldoverderecords.com/mkds/index4.html

djh, Thursday, 20 June 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link

I must admit that, flicking through his website, I found myself wondering how much Kozelek earns - can he pretty much guarantee decent sales of anything he releases? Do sales of Red House Painters releases chug away in the background? Were they even that "big" anyway?

Regardless, I've missed loads by him.

djh, Sunday, 30 June 2013 23:36 (ten years ago) link

(Not Kozelek but probably not worth starting a distinct threat: anyone heard the two Lavalle releases since Storytellers?)

djh, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 22:37 (ten years ago) link

not liking perils at all, two songs in, why is his poetic metre exactly the same in everything these days?

akm, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:19 (ten years ago) link

If you can give it a few more goes you might find it grows on you; I was underwhelmed by cursory listens on line when it came out, but figured I'd get the CD anyway off the strength of "Caroline". Been on rotation for my commute for the last week now and it's *really* opened up - I think I prefer it to the last couple of Sun Kil Moon albums in fact - I love the non-flashy approach by Lavalle, just let the tracks ebb and flow and give Koz room to work with them.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:40 (ten years ago) link

^ Yes, this.

I initially heard when a friend sent me a cd featuring his two favourite tracks from the album. When I bought the album these two tracks stood out as high points but with repeated plays almost all of it sounds pretty special (but not show-y) now.

djh, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link

The last Sun Kil Moon album was the same for me. At first it sounded like such a let down compared to AFP but it became another favorite right along the rest after repeat listens.

Evan, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 23:00 (ten years ago) link

Love "1936", in part because I did the same thing as a six year old, stealing dimes out of a collection my dad had. Nothing as precious as the song's dime, but same theft, and feelings of guilt and regret. "Gustavo" and "Caroline", great tracks, too. Also agree with liking it more than the last few SKM albums.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 15 July 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link

1936 crept up on me. Beautiful stuff. Seemed to get luke warm reviews, this.

djh, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link

Bubble to me is incredible - those building arpeggios

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link

posted this before, but here are my thoughts on the wonderful Bridge album: http://walkingthelongmileshome.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/and-it-feels-so-wonderful-to-swim-in-our-fear-red-house-painters-bridge-1993-track-by-track/

i am really quite obsessed with By the Time that I Awoke from the latest one.

charlie h, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link

I loved that (article & song). I wish I got to read something like that about every one of his songs and all the rest of my favorite music.

Evan, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link

Nice song (although it's always a bit creepy when people contrast their lovers and their mothers).

djh, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

He's a funny bugger, isn't he?

Just received "Mark Kozelek & Desertshore" and the "Malmo" live CD. Such an incongruity between him being an arse to the crowd in the latter and the compassion in "Brothers" from the former.

djh, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:33 (ten years ago) link

pfork review of the desertshore record tried to recast kozelek's recent stream-of-consciousness lyrical moves as a general characteristic of his total body of work which made me :\

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link

What a repulsive excuse for a human being.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link

I feel like I need to take a shower after reading about this scumbag.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link

you can hear the rot from the start on rollercoaster; from grace cathedral park:

Tell me why are you like this? Are you the same with anyone?
Save me from my sickness and tell me why do you treat me like this?
Tell me why are you like this? Are you the same with anyone?
Save me from my sickness and tell me why are you like this?

i think i know the answers to those questions!!

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 25 March 2021 22:36 (three years ago) link

i never want to hear his music again

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 March 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link

I've been there for a few years (ever since that weird unilateral feud with War on Drugs), but this really reinforces it x1000.

enochroot, Thursday, 25 March 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link

nels cline 1, koz 0

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 26 March 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link

This I guess is the AITA thread referenced in the Pitchfork article, although the original seems to be gone now.

AITA for feeling weird about my girlfriend talking on the phone with her celebrity hero? https://t.co/rmCeysvTCP pic.twitter.com/UmsxJjldcS

— Am I the Asshole? (@AITA_reddit) October 16, 2019

a sad robot dancing alone in the corner of a suburban disco (Matt #2), Friday, 26 March 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link


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