― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― stelfox, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Greg Tate - 'Flyboy In The Buttermilk'.
John Corbett - 'Extended Play'
― Edmundo (Edmundo), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Edmundo (Edmundo), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― fernando, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link
(i realise this question may come across as somehow personally involved since I'm mentioned at the top of the thread, but I'm more just curious than anything else. I accept that you feel like an outsider but I would never have considered your writing about music to be somehow contrary to some hypothetical ILM guiding principles - whoever is defining them)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm wondering if there's some sort of Universal law involved.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh my god yes, without any question. Matos and I are united on this point.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― stelfox, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link
This is an interesting distinction. How is importance defined?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― stelfox, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link
(you can do penance by suggesting books on reggae or dancehall or some jamaican music axis, which i would v. much appreciate since every time you post to a dancehall thread i get out my notebook).
also does anybody know what happened to the archives of Addicted To Noise? can we bully Da Capo into publishing them?
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link
I think there's another thread where someone mentioned reggae and dancehall books...
― steve-k, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― stelfox, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link
I had no idea this was true. I'll be leaving now. hahaha! Just kidding. I don't even know what girls aloud is. maybe i love them too. and i did own the 45 of come on eileen when i was a kid.
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
I should mention that Kelefa Sennah (sp.) piece on Jay-Z that's in De Capo's best of 2002.
― djdee2005, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link
and dee you're right, but the Elizabeth Mendez-Berry piece on Jay 'Classic Material' just !KILLS!, as does that entire book.
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― djdee2005, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link
In "Midnight Train to Georgia," which everybody I've ever met acknowledges as a great record, the frivolousness of the Pips doing their train-whistle ooo-woos (especially if you're watching it on TV and they're gesturing and spinning around in unison at the same time) is what keeps Gladys's soul singing down-to-earth. Without the Pips, Gladys would be merely "intense" - not catchy enough, therefore boring, therefore not intense at all, really. Calling music "intense" or "emotional" or "soulful" is usually a euphemism for "it seems like something I'm supposed to like." It's fairly obvious that the Pips alone would be an ignorable proposition; my point is that Gladys alone would be just as ignorable. And, in fact, the problem with most soul music is that it's all-Gladys/no-Pips: e.g., '60s Aretha Franklin subscribed to the fallacy that by removing shlockish prettiness from music (Dionne Warwick's "I Say A Little Prayer," say) you improve it, when really you just make it more reverent....
Then again, since rock'n'roll is a leisure time activity, there are inevitably people who act like music should be all Pips/no-Gladys. But that wouldn't work, either, since Gladysness is where music's tragedy comes from. As often as not, I need moroseness or violence in my disco. My sense of humor's fine, but the trash-aesthetic concept of forced insignificance (where ideas and passion and audacity are shrugged off as "pretentious") isn't fun - it's lazy.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
I was gonna say "because no one enjoys arguing against tons of ppl by yourself" and then I realised oh wait, some ppl *do* enjoy that and sometimes I do, too, but most of the time most ppl don't.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link
I've been reading Steve Almond's Rock and Roll Will Save Your Life. Enjoying it so far, and it seems to be way up ILM's alley (a book about being an obsessive music fan / sometimes professional music critic).
― Mordy, Sunday, 25 April 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Criticism of Criticism
― ksh, Monday, 26 April 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link