Tommy James and the Shondelles C or D

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One night when I was like 13, I was working on a poetry assignment for my Grade 8 english class, we had to assemble our own poetry anthology, meeting certain requirements, and only so many could be lyrics from songs, blah blah blah, this is not important, anyway, it was really late, like maybe 10 or something, or maybe later, because I was the only up in my house and I was working in the kitchen, but I called into the crappy radio station and requested "Crimson & Clover" and they played it, and maybe even put me on the air for like 5 seconds, I don't remember, but they definitely said my name. Which is an uncommon name. That's important to remember.
Two years later, I meet this girl at a party. We talk for a while and finally feel friendly enought to tell each other our names. She looks at me and says "You're XXXXX? Did you ever request 'Crimson & Clover' on such-and-such FM? You're soooooo rad!"
I got kissed with tongue for the first time that night.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Friday, 20 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
Bump!

Brought an old mix CD to the gym today, found a Tommy James and Shondells triptych at the end:

"Sweet Cherry Wine"
"Love's Closin' in on Me"
"Sugar on Sunday"

and my god, they made the elliptical machine almost tolerable. Totally, positively, classic.

j.e.r.e.m.y (x Jeremy), Monday, 26 July 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

The Pooh Sticks did a great version of "Do Something to Me" -- fast, kinda like a Buzzcocks song.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

huck, that's a great story.

I'm going to download C + C right now.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I love "Draggin' the Line."

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

j.e.r.e.m.y., I'm delighted that you said that: I discovered a year or so ago that every major Tommy James hit's BPM is precisely my normal jogging pace. Yay for everything mentioned above, plus "1, 2, 3 and I Fell."

Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn - I was going to mention "Dizzy" and "Little Sheila", then I remembered that Tommy ROE did those ones. Typical mixup, like Gary Puckett/Gary Lewis. "Hanky Panky" is pretty good, considering that it was written 20 minutes before it was recorded! And yeah, "Crimson and Clover" is sure some kinda classic.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I got the Crimson & Clover LP yesterday. Classic classic classic, though the album is necessarily downhill after the opening title track (long version, for those keeping score.)

Also, there's a letter from Herbert Humphreys on the back!

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

one weird and great track that i've been loving lately is "ball of fire," a gospelly bubblegum ballad that prefigures everything the polyphonic spree have ever done or ever will do, and which remains awesome in spite of that.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

They're great!!!!!!!

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude was a GREAT singer. Maybe still so now, dunno. Can anyone report?

My faves:

Mirage (I agree even better than ITWAN)
Out of the Blue
I'm Taken
And you have to love "Hello banana, I am a tangeriiiiiinnnne.. . ."

? and the Mysterians do own "Do Something to Me," though, although TJ's version is decent.

JAS, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

so classic, so classic.

So is the Crimson & Clover LP worth getting? I should probably get something of theirs, considering how much I love C&C, "I Think We're Alone Now," "Crystal Blue Persuasion," etc.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

C&C LP has Crystal Blue Persuasian, long version of C&C and Do Something To Me, among others. Also an awesome cover.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the earlier stuff. just found a record from the late 70s where James is sans the Shondelles and went full out Christian. i passed on it.

JAXON (jaxon), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm. maybe i should reconsider. i just read the AMG review of it. it's actually from 71 (maybe this was a weird late 70s reissue or maybe i just remembered wrong?):

(It) is actually the beginning of James' shift to uplifting religious themes that would really blossom on his second solo record. Christian of the World is not a concept record as such, but there is a theme of spirituality running through the lyrics. The title track is a sun-kissed plea for salvation, "Sing Sing Sing" rejects material possessions in favor of the power of song, "Sail a Happy Ship" directs people to turn to religion for peace and friendship, and "Church Street Soul Revival" is a beautiful, open-hearted celebration of God. The music is an amazing blend of bubblegum and gospel with some soul and a bit of country thrown in for good measure. James is on a creative roll here: his vocals are deeply heartfelt and soulful, the songwriting is powerful, and the whole record is strong from beginning to end. It isn't too surprising that apart from the hit single "Dragging the Line," the record was completely ignored. James' bubblegum persona preceded him. No one was quite ready to consider him a serious musician capable of creating an album as fully realized and creative as Christian of the World. Luckily, 30-plus years later one can divorce him or herself from James' lightweight image and see the record for the lost classic that it is.

JAXON (jaxon), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"Crimson & Clover" was Tommy James' attempt at proving he could get serious just like the rest of the FM rockers of the day. According to Tommy, he was offered a chance to play at Woodstock based on "C&C," but he turned it down. Ya see, his secretary told him: "some hog farmer is putting on a rock festival in upstate NY," and with a buildup like that, who WOULDN'T turn it down?

He did turn up at the Atlanta Pop Festival, however...

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

tommy james >>>>>>>>>> 90 percent of the acts who played at woodstock.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

tommy james >>>>>>>>>> 90 percent of the acts who played at woodstock.

This man speaks the truth

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Lost TJ/Shondells classics: "Moses & Me" and "Gotta Get Back To You," both from their final album together, TRAVELIN'.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Seconding "Gotta Get Back to You." One of his tougher vocals.

JAS, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
And you have to love "Hello banana, I am a tangeriiiiiinnnne.. . ."
Is this an answer song to "Mellow Yellow"?

I was supposed to go last night to BeeBeeKing's to see him on a comp from my buddy who was playing in the band but, somewhat mysteriously, all the tickets to the sold-out show that were reserved for the band seemed to have disappeared, so dud for that reason, but otherwise classic.

Where is the love for "Kathleen McArthur"?

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images2/24222.jpg
this one, scratchiness and all, was on heavy rotation last summer. great listening with cheap beers and w33d in the arkansas heat. this thread has reminded me to break it out again.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

and in that pic, the dude in the middle looks totally like luke ratpure. at least from a distance.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/986_con_Tommy-James1.jpg
luke in 30?

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Crystal Blue Persuasion even more than Crimson and Clover. Plus I read somewhere that Crystal Blue Persuasion was street slang for speed. Anyway, they are greatly underrated and as stated up-thread so much better than a lot of bands in the dreaded canon. I'll take them over Jefferson Airplane any day.

Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Thursday, 3 August 2006 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"Mirage" is the greatest.

Matt Golden (goldmatt), Thursday, 3 August 2006 08:02 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"I'm Comin' Home" is like cheapass songwriting at it's BEST, a vague rip of "Jumpin' Jack Flash"'s riff and the chorus from "He's So Fine" and it fucking WORKS. Just got a crappy "as advertised on TV!" US cdouble vinyl comp for cheap and man, it's all good. And it's missing so many songs that've been mentioned on this thread!

President Evil, Thursday, 5 July 2007 10:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Also "Cat's Eye in the Window" IS "Horse w No Name". Bubblegum rips off a lot, and so leaves itself open for same due to lack of respect to "art" going both ways?

President Evil, Thursday, 5 July 2007 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link

"He has sold, to date, over 100 million records and has been awarded 23 gold singles and 9 gold and platinum albums."

...according to James' website. But I believe it. It's mind boggling how many classic songs this dude has written. As a singles band, I think the Shondells (and James solo) rivals the Monkees. Is that crazy to think?

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 July 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Hell no. And as mentioned upthread, I think, it was interesting to see how often he got covered in the eighties and how so many of those covers were big hits! A transitional character, if you like. Liminal even. (I'll stop there.)

Sadly, the most recent cover I can think of is REM doing "Draggin' the Line."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2007 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

in addition to the 30 or so absolutely perfect and transcendent pop songs already mentioned, i feel compelled to add a word or two on behalf of 1969's "on behalf of the entire staff & management," from the tommy james experimental era. it's basically an early guided by voices song, right down to the way the lead vocal is recorded. and james isn't that much older than robert pollard. the replacements could've covered it too, circa "treatment bound." and, um, it's great.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 July 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

How about the production on "Ball of Fire"? I know somebody else mentioned the tune, but hell, talk about lo-fi weirdness long before Sebadoh!

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 July 2007 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

actually, it was you, fact checking, that mentioned it before.

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 July 2007 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think the James' penned "Tighter, Tighter" gets enough love; well, except on certain oldies stations.

Cunga, Thursday, 5 July 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

speaking of "ball of fire," can someone tell me what the first line is? i hear "scarlet hovering my head," which makes no grammatical sense whatsoever but kind of does make sense with the rest of the song (which, by the way, makes for a fairly excellent 9/11 song!). is there some word or piece of syntax that i'm missing in there?

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 July 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link

according to songmeanings.net you're right

Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 5 July 2007 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link

excellent. that's confirmation enough for me!

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 5 July 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i've had a tommy james 2cd comp for a while, but never really listened to 'Draggin' the Line' before, which is my new favourite song.

another two that aren't mentioned above but are really wonderful are 'She' and 'Loved One'

derrrick, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Fucking Mirage!

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I have a hard time saying anything bad about TJ&Shondelles. In fact, the later into their catalog, the better, yeah...

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Cellophane Symphony ('69) has way good moments going on

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link

"Evergreen" from that record is a psychedelic sloe-jam of sorts, while "Making Good Time" is something that should have been covered by Elvis circa '75. It just has that kinda vibe. Vaguely swamprock, and name-checking different cities and stuff.

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

another two that aren't mentioned above but are really wonderful are 'She' and 'Loved One'

Oh, yes. Yes. "Loved One" is...yeah. If you like "Tighter, Tighter", then...

dell, Saturday, 29 December 2007 23:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Dude was a GREAT singer. Maybe still so now, dunno. Can anyone report?

saw him in coney island this summer and he was kinda great. he was headlining a straight-up oldies bill, and the average age of the crowd was easily over 50. first up, johnny maestro and the brooklyn bridge ("worst that could happen") did their name proud with some nice singing over pedestrian bar-band arrangements. next up, jay black simply can't sing anymore -- i mean, really really really has no vocal skills whatsoever -- and he knows it and he spent 70 percent of his stage time telling stories and cracking jokes, which he's damn good at. dude is hilarious. he too had the pedestrian bar-band oldies lounge thing behind him. then they cleared the stage for tommy & the shondells, who came out with marshall stacks, leather pants, long hair, etc., and who were a mix of old guys and one or two young ringers who look like they play in wooden shjips in their spare time. they turned up the volume from roughly three to roughly 12, scared more than a few 60- and 70-year-olds out of the venue, sang every song you could legitimately expect to hear (i.e. most of their rhino anthology, including "mirage," "ball of fire" and other faves from this thread), and quite legimately rocked. when oasis tour the oldie circuit in 2035, i imagine they will sound similar, and i will be ok with that, though they won't be as good.

fact checking cuz, Sunday, 30 December 2007 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link

so classic i can't even believe it.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Sunday, 30 December 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

great story fcc, thanks.

dell, Sunday, 30 December 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, awesome story

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 30 December 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

i wonder if Tommy knows about this whole garage/60s pop subculture? maybe he's been listening to little steven's show?

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 30 December 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

...although he should be legitimately pissed about not receiving the kind of lip service a lot of these retro bands pay to far inferior bands from the 60s.

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 30 December 2007 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Anytime he wants to do a European tour, I'm there!

Soukesian, Sunday, 30 December 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

in xpost Hound Dog, the Lieber & Stoller joint autobio, they came to treasure Goldner as they realized that he had "the musical taste of a 14-year-old girl," and could always tell them just what a song needed a little more or less of--and if he liked it right away, with no changes needed---! He was a shy, studious-looking fellow, yet always beautifully tailored, like the financial genius with a modest office in an august firm, City of London more than Wall Street. But they also came to realize that he was a zombie gambler in a bottomless pit---realizing it when pulled into that little xpost meeting, and also when they heard two goodfellas moving furniture around in the next room, talkin' 'bout how it would be a nice place for meetin's. So yeah, sold him Redbird for a dollar, got the hell out.

dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 02:33 (one year ago) link

Getting past the most obvious choices, here's Celebration: Complete Roulette Recordings 1966-1973. Don't know this label, Grapefruit, or how it might sound, but 40 bucks for a 6-CD import, so hey George Goldner might we;; be right about a chance worth taking, in this instance:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71+0Cd-C--L._SL1200_.jpg

etween 1966 and 1973, Tommy James issued thirteen albums on Roulette either as a solo performer or with The Roulettes. All of these recordings now appear on this definitive 6-CD set. This includes "Greatest Hits" or "Best Of" albums which of course duplicated tracks from regular albums. These tracks have been left in their respective original albums. Although these albums have all appeared on CD reissues at various times over the years, this is the first box set to gather together all of the recordings in one set. In addition, there is the bonus of all of the recordings that never featured on the original LPs. Some of these tracks are making their CD debut within this collection. The 141-track box set features 16 tracks that were only ever released on 45s or were previously unissued until earlier compilations were released on CD. Produced by Bob Fisher whose detailed essay covers the entire history of the group with quotes by Tommy James from his biography and the notes to previous reissues. The booklet includes details of all of their chart achievements in the USA and the UK along with numerous reproductions of advertisements, reviews and news stories from music industry magazines. Designed by Michael Robson and mastered by Simon Murphy this is the definitive collection of Tommy James & the Shondells tracing their career from garage and bubblegum pop band through career defining psychedelic albums into Tommy James solo years as an introspective singer/songwriter. Disc One contains the first two albums "Hanky Panky" and "It's Only Love" plus the non- album B-side of the 'Hanky Panky' 45 and six titles previously unissued which made their first and only appearance on a long deleted 1997 CD set. Disc Two contains the albums "I Think We're Alone Now", "Something Special" and "Getting Together". Disc Three features 'Mony, Mony'. Their first and only UK No 1 single and the album titled after that hit alongside their classic psychedelic album, "Crimson & Clover" and the 45 version of the title track. Disc Four presents their second career defining psychedelic album "Cellophane Symphony" including the long version of the title track and a track from the album sessions, 'Contact', only previously released on the aforementioned 1997 compilation. Disc four also features the one track on the album "The Best of Tommy James & The Shondells" that hadn't been on an album before, 'Ball of Fire' and the first seven titles on "Travellin'" the last Tommy James & The Shondells album. Disc Five opens with the continuation of the "Travellin'" album with it's last three tracks before moving on to the first Tommy James solo albums "Tommy James" and "Christian Of the World" which features his last major hit single, 'Draggin' the Line'. Disc Six concludes the box with his last album for Roulette, 1971's "My Head, My Bed and My Red Guitar" his country -rock album co-produced in Nashville with Pete Drake and featuring such legendary country sidemen as Scotty Moore, D. J. Fontana, Charlie McCoy, Buddy Spicer and others.

https://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Complete-Roulette-Recordings-1966-1973/dp/B08MSGQTJN/ref=asc_df_B08MSGQTJN/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475692006471&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16179462599094844020&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012804&hvtargid=pla-1021827970053&psc=1

dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 02:49 (one year ago) link

Seems like Tommy and the ex-Shondells went in pretty much the same musical directions, judging by quotes from Mike Vale and others here---also has YouTube links:

In 1971 the mega-hit group, Tommy James and The Shondells disbanded. The Shondells went on to form Hog Heaven This pg is a tribute to them and their music.

https://www.glartent.com/XX/Unknown/328246537813846/Hog-Heaven-Band

dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 02:58 (one year ago) link

this is still hilarious

and turning down Woodstock before burning out mightily in '70.

To be fair, this is how Woodstock was presented to him:

We were in Hawaii, and my secretary called and said, ‘Yeah, listen, there’s this pig farmer in upstate New York that wants you to play in his field.’ That’ s how it was put to me. So we passed.”

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, June 23, 2018 12:33 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's not my post, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 04:37 (one year ago) link

^Immortal masterpiece, perfect 60s primetime psychedelic visuals in that clip. Though as much as I love "Crimson and Clover", "Crystal Blue Persuasion" will always be my #1 TJ song; that main chord progression (Amaj9, Bm7, repeat) is so beautiful, gives me chills. It's the kind of chord progression you hear in soul music of the era way more often than in rock. And since it's just back-and-forth between two chords, it exudes a calm, elegant simplicity.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:20 (one year ago) link

Also I'm currently hearing TJ's wacky 1995 concept album A Night In Big City (An Audio Movie) for the first time. The liner notes on his official website sum it up better than I can:

Talk about a concept album...Tommy pulled out all the stops on this one - a blend of music and theater reminiscent of an earlier time when the music business had a lot more imagination and fun. On this make believe trip through "Big City" (New York), Tommy and his group, along with the listener, are given the key to the city, a private limousine, and a voluptuous female driver who takes them on the ride of their life.

The album, produced by Tommy and long time friend and arranger Jimmy Wisner, contains 11 great new tracks including sparkling remakes of "I Think We're Alone Now" and "Tighter, Tighter" interspersed with dialogue and sound effects and a comic book style, story guide to help follow the action.

This is Tommy James at his creative best. From "Give It All", a hard, up-tempo alternative rocker, to the dreamy "Who Do You Love" to "Megamation Man", a chilling glimpse into the demonic New World Order.

One would have to go back to the CELLOPHANE SYMPHONY album or perhaps TRAVELIN' to find anything remotely as daring or progressive.

First impression is that the between-song dialogue is extremely cringe (maybe approaching so-bad-it's-good territory), but at least a couple of the songs are improbably good--"Baby Tonight" is a legit new jack swing song with a banging chorus, and "Give It All" is some decent power pop/heartland rock. "Megamation Man" is some Styx-tier dystopian cheese. There's also an unnecessary Mellencampified remake of "I Think We're Alone Now". Mostly I'm just appreciating that he conceived and executed such a bizarre and ambitious project in the mid 90s, even if it's deeply flawed.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link


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