The Sea and Cake: COD/SD etc. etc.

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my guess involved your old pet theory because the record sounds so much like that! but I don't quite follow you on this composition stuff. I was listening last night and noticing how lots of the songs tend to have a really serial form, in that they'll do something for a while, then do something else for a while, then something sort of ending-sounding (like the strings). that strikes me as not as 'compositional' as it could have been - could've been more done to unify those parts somehow. the end of the record trails off some for me, and I wonder if that isn't the reason why: without the tighter song structures gotten by putting those parts together, the songs just sound sort of directionless (not in the good stasisy way) when the parts aren't as good. 'faces and people' sounds like the ideal thing to have burst into a lazy, joyful indie-house-glitch-pop song, but then it just sort of repeats itself forever. that's kind of disappointing to me, though I got used to it. I find comparisons to gastr's camofleur instructive - I've seen it mentioned a lot in reviews. things that record does differently: the string-things-out compositional strategy is done by stringing DIFFERENT things out, letting the songs shift, rather than stringing out what sound like they could be extra layers in the same song. uh, sorry, I only had one thing in mind.

why doesn't prekop just make an all-bossa nova record?

Josh, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
'one bedroom' is my new favorite song!!

ron (ron), Saturday, 18 January 2003 02:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
What time signature is the song "Biz" in?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 June 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

hee hee, mark greenberg's post up there fails to mention precious wax drippings.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 June 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

god the first album is fucking untouchably great

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 June 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

showboat angel! they never got fun like this again

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 June 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

How do you like the 2nd Prekop, Nitsuh?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

mark greenberg posted here? haha.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I really liked Oui.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
What time signature is the song "The Biz" in?

Help me out, Jaymc or Nitsuh or somebody. Still wondering about this.

Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's 15/8.

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

(Alternating measures of 7 and 8 beats.)

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

No wonder I hurt myself trying to tap along to it.

Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

showboat angel! I say it again. So great!

akm, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

Revive!

I went to see the Sea and Cake at Cargo last night. It was great, really good, and the sound was fantastic. I wondered if the nuances of the records would come across live, but they did.

Anyway, I only have Oui (I went with a friend who is a big fan), so would anyone like to revisit the s/d part, and talk about the new album?

Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 21 June 2007 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the new album a lot. They sound maybe a bit looser than they have in the past? But I think they sort of defy deep analysis. Nothing to dig in to.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 21 June 2007 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I love the new one. I'm not familiar with their back-catalogue, save that Bedroom-album, which I found so-so. But this one's so lush, full of joy-de-vivre, if I may say so. The Malipop-song "Exact to me" is stunning and my favourite of the album. Would love to see them live.

willem, Thursday, 21 June 2007 10:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, there was one at the gig when I suddenly thought African pop! That must be "Exact to me" - that was a highlight along with a two-chord thing with the most amazing drumming that they played just before it - this fast disco hi-hat, snare, bassdrum pattern and then these incredible fills everywhere. Any idea what that one would have been?

I should just get the album.

The bass and drums really were brilliant - the songs, airy and light and pleasing as they are, sometimes just feel like a setting for the rhythm section, rather than the other way round.

They were entertainingly uncharismatic as well. Four people desperately looking anywhere apart from the audience. The bass player, who is now HUGE, looking like he was actually asleep - completely motionless apart from his fingers. It was cool.

Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 21 June 2007 12:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Aw, Eric Claridge. My brother and I used to imagine that, while the rest of the band was all playing in their side/solo projects, Eric Claridge was just sitting on his couch, glumly practicing bass.

jaymc, Thursday, 21 June 2007 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I was at that gig, too, Jamie.

'Uncharismatic' doesn't begin to describe them. At one stage, Archer asked Sam if he was enjoying himself. Sam mumbled something I couldn't make out but he didn't seem overly impressed with the idea of being on the stage.

there are indeed a couple of tracks on Everybody that have a bit of Afro hi-life guitar. I'm afraid I'm terrible at the names of tracks - most of my music listening takes place in my car!

The drummer was extraordinary wasn't he? Was that John McEntire? (sorry I'm not well up on this genre of music) The rhythm section is definitely a major joy in their music.

Everybody is much lighter than previous work, but it still complex and strange in parts. I found in the gig that because it is all so evenly paced and because so little was happening on stage I had to think about rhythms and voice onset and time signatures and all that kind of grown-up stuff!

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 22 June 2007 10:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Aw, Eric Claridge. My brother and I used to imagine that, while the rest of the band was all playing in their side/solo projects, Eric Claridge was just sitting on his couch, glumly practicing bass.

-- jaymc, Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

that's lame and condescending. eric's a really fantastic painter.

new record is really good, frankly i didn't think it would be. they were great live a couple weeks ago in new york, too.

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, I notice from Eric Claridge's site, that there's a painting of a squirrel holding a Swiss army knife. Charmingly, the Sea and Cake use that image on their merchandise.

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 22 June 2007 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Lighten up stencil, jaymc and his brother were clearly joking.

Hurting 2, Friday, 22 June 2007 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link

not in the email i've got dated july 7, 2003

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

zung

Hurting 2, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I see that both Tortoise and the Sea and Cake are on tour right now; which band is McEntire playing with? Anybody know?

kwhitehead, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link

the sea and cake

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know about Claridge's painting career, dude.

jaymc, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

when did you 'discover' it?

okay, okay, i'll stop

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

please

strongohulkington, Friday, 22 June 2007 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.thrilljockey.com/catalog/index.html?id=103254
new album called Car Alarm to be released 2008-10-21

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 07:03 (fifteen years ago) link

first album still my favorite by them, I don't think they'll ever top it.

akm, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 07:20 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know what their best album is but I know that everyone had some really good songs. Glass EP, for instance, was a great direction for The Sea and Cake but then they had to release Everybody next - I didnt really care for that album. But as far as mixtapes go, they have more than enough great material spanning their entire career. Archer Prewitt could easily have a greatest hits cd also even though he has only released 5 albums.

The Sea and Cake's lyrics have always been nice, abstract pleasantries that are unlike any other bands lyrics. There is a timeless quality to the lyrics since for the most part they don't make any sense and you can envision the story differently every time.

And Sam Prekop's voice is easy on the ears but always fresh and crispy nonetheless.

So yeah The Sea and Cake has always been in my top 10 band list.

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 07:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Still play & enjoy Everybody a lot. Should check out the debut I guess. Looking very much forward to Car Alarm. Although that blurb on the TJ site is a bit too much/elaborate I like the idea of them going straight into the studio after touring the last album and record the next in 3 months time.

willem, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 08:22 (fifteen years ago) link

1) Nassau
2) The Fawn
3) The Biz

Arghn, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 11:32 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Car Alarm sounds the way I want it to so far :)))

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

did not know about this

I know, right?, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

As good as two gentlemen?

I know, right?, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

does louis jagger like these guys? they seem like his kinda thing, I'm kinda surprised that he hasn't contributed to this thread

I know, right?, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Well I got 5 tracks out of 12 and Two Gentlemen isn't the one I listen to. I play random tracks so I wouldn't know. I just know this is better than Everybody. But I love the band nonetheless... it doesn't have poppy like singing as does "we come by when you say that, we come by, we come by when you say that, we come by" or Afternoon Speaker or Station In The Valley. It has the heavier guitars from everybody but they sound more like the traditional sea and cake sound "beachy"... and the singing sounds great even though not poppy so far (I've heard 5 tracks).

They are definitely my thing. I give the a big shiny star. Fuck Louis Jagger or whoever he is.

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd say if you like Two Gentlemen and havent tried Glass ep, go for it.
But this doesn't sound like those so much so far.

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I like glass fine, but it doesn't have Early Chicago and a brilliant cover.

I know, right?, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll give those a go, I'll be jogging today with my ipod, might as well

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=50505
Here's just a small taste of the more technoish sound of one short track.
The other songs aren't like this though.

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

everytime this thread pops up I'm compelled to say: SHOWBOAT ANGEL

akm, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^^^^^^

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Always hated this guy's insufferable vox.

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I bet you like crappy music in general :[ Mr. Steve Hater

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Where are you hearing this? I e-mailed Brent DiCrescenzo a few weeks ago after he reviewed "Car Alarm" (the song) in Time Out Chicago to see where I could find it. No dice.

jaymc, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Soulseek, as a temporary mediator before I decide whether to purchase the album. Still stuck with only 5 songs though.

CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Agreed about Any Day. Still undeniably them, but their base standard is quality so it always sounds great when it's on. Here's to hoping there's still more to come.

I wasn't totally crazy on the early records (I didn't hear them until Oui), but the more I've revisited them over the years, the better those first two get. When you consider some of Sam's stuff in Shrimp Boat, that's a pretty good assessment I'd say. Very appropriate comparison and I totally get what you mean.

RE: Your previous question about a possible sample. Don't know it, but curious. That's a pretty distinct rhythm too. I'd certainly recognize it in the wild.

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 02:32 (two years ago) link

also Any Day has a fantastic closing track which is something they tend to uh...not usually have

for me The Biz is the one, though mostly for sentimental value. it was the first one I discovered (by accident, I was searching for Cake and someone mistitled the MP3), I was like 16, and I dug it immensely. on relisten the first album is definitely the special one. it's so breezy and chill, it's like they're trying to sing you to sleep. not in the way some of their other stuff does either.

frogbs, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 02:46 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

sam prekop: "I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU THAT WE WON'T STOP I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU THAT WE DON'T STOP."

(nothing to do with the incoming mcentire collab; it's another 20+ minute synth sesh. beats and all. i like it, of course.)

four months pass...

One really nice moment in their catalogue : the part in “The Argument” where Prekop sings “40 days till we rest again” and then in the background mumbles “sit tight y’all”

frogbs, Saturday, 5 November 2022 00:39 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

thinkin about an old friend of mine. we were roommates for a little while. he was really into Deftones, nu-metal, and dubstep. in fact that was pretty much all he liked as far as I could tell. one day he told me he took some of my burned CDs off the computer desk and was really digging one of them in particular. said it was playing in his car for weeks on end. I found out it was The Biz and now every time I listen to it (like now) I can't help but wonder what it was he liked about it so much. I mean it's a great album but man our tastes were not compatible AT ALL

frogbs, Sunday, 27 November 2022 04:56 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

Happened upon Moonlight Butterfly at a store in Milwaukee. kinda forgot it existed but sheesh it's pretty nice. The ten minute "Inn Keeping" is really nice. I think they could make a whole album like that. Maybe sorta like that Prekop/McEntire thing from last year. Anyway, is it just me or are all TSAC albums since Everybody kinda brickwalled?

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 02:45 (nine months ago) link

eight months pass...

a pitch-perfect prophecy that transitions into a jam with a younger robert wyatt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLDjcPO4L3s

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 April 2024 18:58 (one week ago) link


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