This Heat - Pre-Classic or Post-Dud?

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one of the best 12s ever! yeah

prima_fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

so the thing that's always been my favorite of theirs is "24Track Loop" and the extended version of it on Repeat (i think?). is it as good, similar, better than this song? am i really crazy to spend 40$ on a 12"?

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

Perhaps, yes. It certainly doesn't sound much like '24 Track Loop', but that doesn't mean it's any less good. Also, the flip side is 'Graphic/Varispeed' which you will already have on Repeat. But I've never seen an original of this, and I live in the UK. It was reissued (5 years ago?) as a double LP with the rest of Repeat, but I never saw that much either.

radio morocco (radio morocco), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago) link

if you haven't heard it it has this insanely catchy rock song "here's a song about the sunshine, dedicated to the sunshine" and then after a couple of minutes it goes into this intense rock group play lock groove type thing.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

"This Heat - Pre-Classic or Post-Dud?"

I don't know. Their records are pretty much out of print. The only CD pressings I have seen for sale are imports that cost $35 bucks and I won't pony up to find out.


earlnash, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

thank you to this thread. i really don't like 'Graphic/Varispeed', so i decided to just download Health & Efficiency and save 40$. anyone want it email me and i can pick it up for you and mail it yada yada

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

"Their records are pretty much out of print. The only CD pressings I have seen for sale are imports that cost $35 bucks and I won't pony up to find out."

Deceit, Made Available, Repeat and the 7cm Health & Efficiency are all available from http://www.rermegacorp.com .

As regards the first one, according to http://www.theserecords.com , "a re-mastered and re-packaged CD version is being prepared for release"; however they also told me that this was "'almost' ready to go into production,
and hopefully could be available soon" over a year ago; so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
does this site really have deceit available? I idiotically sold my copy some time ago because I was broke that month, and now I can't find it anywhere (slsk aside)

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 15 April 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

"Health & Efficiency" is also the name of an old nudist (aka kiddie porn) magazine.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 15 April 2004 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

Deceit should be available afaik, although I see ReR are now saying that it's "sometimes in stock..please ask".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 16 April 2004 07:59 (twenty years ago) link

health & efficiency is available from these records as a 3" CD single for about 6 pounds. i believe everything else is OOP for the time being.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
I want to buy more This Heat stuff after I downloaded the two lps. So I think I am going to get Health and Efficiency. Is the peel sessions the next thing I should get? (ps I love you this heat)

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Peel Sessions, Repeat and the split cassette they did with Albert Marcoeur. There are also unreleased demos floating around slsk.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

there are some live bootlegs too. the peel sessions are really good, i like them better than the originals.

allow me to be the only one to disagree w/ the first response up there saying Pere Ubu (?, *snore* overrated critics fave) is better. other than the crap comparison made, Deceit is a great record and Camberwell Now were certainly not boring (esp. the Ghost Trade record).

sherm, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Those aren't unreleased demos. In 1985 Gareth Williams and his frien Mary Currie released a casette called Flaming Tunes. A few years ago someone bootlegged it as "After The Heat, This Heat demos."

Here's the info:

http://www.theserecords.com/files/flamingtunes.html

It took me a while, but I love the Tago Mago tape very much now.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Other Music has a Camberwell Now cd collection of a few eps and an lp.

sounds pretty great

http://www.othermusic.com/perl-bin/OM/CD_Show_Info.cgi?ID=8733342.25849&catalog_id=41976

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

totally unrelated:

JaXoN,

does this work for you?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

G, yeah, it works, but i think i already found that song as well as 3 others from possibly the same site
A Night to Forget 4:46 Factrix http://music.download.com
Silver River 2:49 Factrix http://music.download.com
Subterfuge 5:52 Factrix http://music.download.com
Theme from NOW! 2:16 Factrix http://music.download.com

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

is that the one you wanted though?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

totally the one i wanted. fucking great track.

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Not as good as This Heat!

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

BUY AMERICAN MORANS.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - that Camberwell Now cd is worth getting, if only for the Ghost Trade tracks. the rest of it is spotty here and there but hardly boring.

sherm, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
1. Jess was right, Pere Ubu are definitely not post punk. Only people who call Sonic Youth post punk would think that.

2. I love how tribal Deceit is. It reminded for a second of Animal Collective.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sleep" could be AC in one of their more together moments.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

sleep is a hip hop song.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Here's a song about the sunshine, dedicated to the sunshine...

I've finally heard some of the Peel Sessions. Fuck, they're intense and loud and manic and visceral and bloody they're amazing!

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

now onto Tago Mago!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I should get to that!

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
You just made my day, Milton!

sleeve, away, Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

damn what lineup is that? theres four people. bassist sounds like the camberwell now guy

o -- (eman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

wow awesome. yeah, this had to have been pretty late

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I would bet that that is indeed Camberwell Now bassist Trefor Goronwy. What I want to know is if that's Gareth Williams behind the keyboards singing on that last song (which I sure hope is on that damn box I bought).

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

hard to tell, but i don't think it's him. after he quit, trefor and a keyboardist named ian hill joined

o -- (eman), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

that's probably Hill, then. thanks.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

5 points to anybody who knows who that first band is that you see for about 5 seconds!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Crunchy Umbrella?

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

THIS HEAT BOX

Dear friends and subscribers,

Here's an update.

Almost everything is ready now; we wait only the final selection and mastering of the live CD. Current projections, with fingers crossed, point at late April, so please don't worry if your box hasn't arrived before then. You will be the first to receive it when it's done, promise.

Sorry, as ever, for the delays.

cc

ReR central

ReR Megacorp
79 Beulah Rd.
Thornton Heath
Surrey CR7 8JG
UK
44 (0) 208 771 1063
www.rermegacorp.com

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

"makeshift swahili" is so fucking good. henry cow turning into public image ltd. all in one song

kamerad, Thursday, 31 December 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Saw Hayward in Kyoto in the late 90s, having never heard of This Heat.
Fantastic show. Just him drumming and singing and playing cassettes and flailing around with cassette players, really doing his own thing.
Crowd was so into it he got kind of choked up by all the mad Japanese music geek love.

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 31 December 2009 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I've always enjoyed This Heat, but its only in the last few years that they REALLY hit home for me. Their music has tremendous depth. So, even if you haven't dug it in the past, give em another shot. Highly recommended.

ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 17 June 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

found a real life copy of the lifetones "for a reason" in a bag of records someone left round my house last night. think i played "good side" about 50 times. such a jam.

Crackle Box, Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtmx6KztjHw

Crackle Box, Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkzU33fiLPs

am0n, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

The preview frame for the YouTube makes Hayward look like Jeremy Clarkson.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

took a first date to the charlie hayward project 'bass drum'

absolutely fucking divine, the guy's a genius & the woman on the korg (whose name I am trying to find - it's on none of the links when I google 'charles hayward' 'bass drum' ffs!) was brilliant too

imago, Thursday, 18 September 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link

But what did your date think?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 19 September 2014 01:16 (nine years ago) link

extremely strong approval

the support act was some boring shit dalston indie but that's to be expected, bargained for almost

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 08:53 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Light In The Attic are about to reissue the only three records south London trio This Heat produced during their lifetime. Originally released between 1979–81, the US label’s forthcoming campaign will mark 2016 as being the 40th Anniversary of This Heat’s beginnings. Formed in Brixton, south London, in 1976, the trio consisted of Charles Bullen, Charles Hayward and the late Gareth Williams. The reissue programme includes the group’s 1979 debut This Heat and its 1981 sequel Deceit, plus their Health And Efficiency 12" from 1980.

Set for vinyl release on 22 January 2016, the three records will be accompanied by a booklet with notes and archival photos.

http://www.thewire.co.uk/news/39488/light-in-the-attic-reissue-this-heat-records

Portugal minus Pedro Foster Cage (Spectrist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link

^^ yes, that's what confused me, it lists Williams in the lineup

sleeve, Saturday, 3 August 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link

I saw two of the brooklyn shows and there was maybe 1 song where Bullen did some live sampling/processing where I'd say there's a tiny chance something was pre-recorded (though I doubt it), otherwise not. I'd imagine it's just a mistake.

dan selzer, Saturday, 3 August 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link

thanks! I regret missing these shows but I just couldn't make it work

sleeve, Saturday, 3 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link

fyi

“..the entire extent of prerecorded stuff we've used is the "Testcard" sound from the beginning/end of the first album, a little loop at the end of "Paper Hats", and a bit of the "Graphic/Varispeed" drone during an instrument changeover section. Everything else is played live by the people on stage.”

Fizzles, Sunday, 4 August 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link

eleven months pass...

New Charles Hayward collaboration here and it's pretty great:

https://godunknownrecords.bandcamp.com/album/hayward-versus-harmergeddon

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

every time i give This Heat (the album, and band) a good listen, i'm so impressed.

is the song "Horizontal Hold", particularly the first minute or two, the foundation of "post-hardcore", whether you hear that in some fugazi, drive like jehu, whatever?

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:03 (two years ago) link

Only recently heard the Peel Sessions. A lot of material form the first album. The version of "Horizontal Hold" is just awesome.

The comparisons to Can and Pere Ubu are not so far fetched, in my opinion. They all share a somewhat "unorthodox" approach, and the loopy & dizzying rhythms.

Hey Mark S, you crazy Brit! Your awesome. Pere Ubu are one of my favorite bands. But my obsession of Can surpasses my love for any other bands combined. Nice to hear someone else likes 'em.

In short, I say Classic! Get them all. The self-titled first record, Deceit, The Peel Sessions, and whatever else you can find. They made music that really sounds like nothing else.

Great band. I wished more bands were so daring and strange. I like those qualities. This is just a fan's perspective.

― Juan (Juan), Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:46 PM (eighteen years ago)

hell yeah

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link


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