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MIDDLE CLASS GUILTs

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

New Tories too soft on gays?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Why be guilty about voting for that nice Mr. Cameron?

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

After all he's more like Tony Blair than Tony Blair is these days

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Sod middle class guilt. ILX is slowly turning me Tory.

― Hello Cthulhu (kate), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I must revive my joining labour plan, may once Blair has gone. I don't tend to vote labour as I live in a safe labour seat and feel I can do more good by voting for a minority party in the current system.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Three years time = no Blair. That's going to make a huge difference. The most the tories can hope for is for a re-run of '92 with Brown as Major. Brown turns out to be ineffectual AND unable to control the party and the Tories win the nxt election. It could happen but I doubt it.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Does nobody actually care about things like ID cards, 'glorification of terrorism' act etc., preferring to quibble about how 'left-wing' they actually are? Maybe this electorate deserves them.

― Riot Clone, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Three years time = no Blair. That's going to make a huge difference.

Yes, it means that the Tories are more likely to win

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Well y'see, Mr Clone, nobody's very convinced that the alternative would offer some fabulous ID card-free, terrorist friendly utopia.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

There's one surefire way for Labour to win the next election: get people who don't vote at all (poor people and young people) to vote for them. But, no chance of that happening.

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

'Yes, it means that the Tories are more likely to win'

Why?

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Why not?

What makes you think they'd be inclined to vote Labour if they were to vote Dada?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Poor people do tend to vote Labour, when they vote at all

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

internet geeks should form its own party

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

'Yes, it means that the Tories are more likely to win'
Why?

Because the people who put New Labour in power are Tory voters at heart.

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Poor people do tend to vote Labour, when they vote at all

But when the Bee-Enned Peas are doing well it tends to be in poorer areas doesn't it? The poorer and younger you are the easier it is to nudge you rightwards (or rather reactionary behaviour, rather than conservatism itself), no?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

New Labour have become a conservative right of centre party - with crap policies, what's even more laughable you now have the tories under Cameron morphing into New Labour Mark2 with a spin on social justice issues

Progressive politics: is what is needed

Bill of Rights
PR voting system
scrap ID cards [this is new labour's poll tax..that will ultimately lead to their downfall]
scrap tuition fees
introduce 50p top band of tax for over 100K income
Tax incentives for business that create jobs in Britain..and penalties for those that outsource British jobs outside of EU
get out of Iraq

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

There's one surefire way for Labour to win the next election: get people who don't vote at all (poor people and young people) to vote for them. But, no chance of that happening.

If there's no chance of it happening then how is it any more of a surefire way of them winning than say, all Tories switching their votes to Labour?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

it's more that the BNP exploit areas where there are racial and social tensions, there aren't enough Pakistanis etc in nice leafy middle class areas to nudge nice leafy middle class people rightwards nor is there enough unemployment and bad housing etc etc

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) Like I said, Labour are going to lose the next election

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.

Then they can be all 'hray' when they do.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

When my nice impeccably liberal/left boss says to me, "But this David Cameron, he doesn't seem like the old Tories, he seems pretty reasonable", then I know Labour are in trouble

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

yes Dadaismus it's the wealthier regions that remain intrinsically conservative, nimby etc., but the disadvantaged areas are where extremism flourishes more (obv. examples being Tower Hamlets, parts of Bradford and Oldham), as you say.

Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.

except the people who vote Lib Dem etc?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

but the disadvantaged areas are where extremism flourishes

Flourishes is putting it a bit strongly

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.
Then they can be all 'hray' when they do"

is this at all true?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

no "impeccably liberal/left" person would even flirt with the notion of considering voting Tory.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

She's American/Irish, she doesn't have a vote

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough. Ignorance is an excuse.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Americans are ignorant?

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ignorant of the history of the Tories, why not? I'm trying to find reasons for being taken in by laffing boy Cameron.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a oft-observed halo effect, where the first few polls after an election show a higher number claiming to have voted for the winner than actually did.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.
except the people who vote Lib Dem etc?

you can still win the actual MP vote innit.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

unless you vote RESPECT and live in bethnal green

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted Labour in 92,97 and 01 and come from a family that has always voted Labour, but I voted Lib Dem as a protest vote last time. If there was an election tomorrow I wouldn't vote Labour, but I don't know what I'll do by the time the next election comes round. I'm prepared to give Brown the benefit of the doubt for a while once he becomes leader. I still consider the Labour party 'my' party, just one that I don't vote for under its current leadership (in the same way that Manchester United is 'my' football team, but I refuse to return to Old Trafford under its current ownership). I think I would actually like some kind of Lib-Lab coalition to get in next time.

― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Incidentally, I'm still going to vote Labour in local elections too, because in my unitary authority area the Tories and Lib Dems have a coalition pact, and don't put candidates up against each other.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeez - Charles Clarke is too much:

The home secretary told a Westminster lunch the fact Mr Dromey did not know about the loans meant "you have to wonder how well he was doing his work".

It's like that Mad magazine line where a pedestrian knocked 20 feet into the air by a police car 'was today charged with leaving the scene of an accident'.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Last gen. election I had a choice between voting in Rugby and Kenilworth (Labour-held but closely contested swing seat) and Glasgow Central (strongly Labour, Tories usually poll about 5th place). I couldn't face voting Labour so I pissed my vote away on the Greens in Glasgow. Rugby and Kenilworth was won by a smarmy Tory git.

Next time, if it's the same decision again, I will probably vote Labour in Rugby, extremely begrudgingly.

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Meanwhile the SNP have grassed tony up to the polis.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Kenilworth deserves a smarmy Tory git.

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

what do you deserve?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm living what I deserve, fuckface. :D

― Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Rugby doesn't! They tacked on Tory heartland Kenilworth to our constituency and we hardly even border!

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

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Look at them over there on the left with their fancy castle and their Tory votes. They're nothing to do with us!

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Next time, if it's the same decision again, I will probably vote Labour in Rugby, extremely begrudgingly.

Yeah, ditto. I wanted to vote Lib/Dem last time but in Rugby it was a wasted vote so I voted Labour. I can't even remember the name of our Tory MP.

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

And don't get me started on the Kenilworth thing. How the Tories sneaked that little gerrymander through... grr

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

David Cameron has launched a concerted attack on Gordon Brown describing him as an "analogue politician in a digital age"

It's crap like that that make me want to vote Labour.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you really live in Rugby, Si? It is a small internet after all. Any more of us and we'll get our own regional thread.

― Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Does nobody actually care about things like ID cards, 'glorification of terrorism' act etc., preferring to quibble about how 'left-wing' they actually are? Maybe this electorate deserves them.
-- Riot Clone (disease...), March 21st, 2006.

otm

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd never vote Tory mainly because - despite the changes Cameron professes to have made - they're still the party of that racist scumbag Norman Tebbit and they also still regard that mad harridan Thatcher as some sort of goddess.

If the Lib Dems had any chance of winning a general election (or even a by-election in my constituency) I'd vote for them. But at the moment my vote can best be used keeping those evil fucking Tories out of power for as long as possible - which, however disillusioned I am with them, means voting Labour.

― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

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I saw a Kieth supporter responding to Tory twitter taunts about the sexual assault by one of the shadow cabinet and lack of action taken thereof, and they responded with "but what about the rapist in the Tory party, eh?"

― calzino, Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:12 (eleven months ago) link

He's a cunt like (most of) the rest of his party

― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:21 (eleven months ago) link

xp i saw that too calz. tell me you don't care about sexual violence without telling me etc

― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:59 (eleven months ago) link

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2023/05/26/TELEMMGLPICT000337204253_16851076279810_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqRo0U4xU-30oDveS4pXV-Vv4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 26 May 2023 15:10 (eleven months ago) link

lol, nice juxtaposition there

― calzino, Friday, 26 May 2023 15:20 (eleven months ago) link

three months pass...

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— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) September 7, 2023

― the pinefox, Friday, 8 September 2023 14:12 (seven months ago) link

it's a club and we're not in it

― School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 14:13 (seven months ago) link

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